Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

developers.openai.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

171–180 of 352 posts

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#171

Post by jobs_throwaway »

dlandis wrote: post #100
eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

Hmm, don't people think that if the frontier labs really put enough engineering effort into preventing distillation that they would be able to do that, or at least diminish it significantly? I'm sure there are variety of additional techniques they could use on top of what they already do, but I suspect it just hasn't been at the top of their priorities yet. Maybe that will change soon. Worst case they could add addit…

The nature of LLMs is that you give them input, they give you output. That allows for distillation. They do try to make it harder by hiding the chain of thought stuff, but fundamentally, if your model is publicly available, its distillable.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#172

Post by ComplexSystems »

maxgiraldo wrote: post #106
eigenspace wrote: post #9

The fact that AI models can be so easily distilled and replicated is such a stroke of luck. 10 or 15 years ago if one had asked me to envision a future where a private company invents artificial intelligence, I'd have thought for sure they'd have a massive moat, be very difficult to catch, and it would create an almost instant monopoly. Rather, it seems that selling intelligence might end up as a race to the bottom.…

OpenAI could still have a significant moat. ChatGPT occupies most consumers’ minds when they think about AI and has become a household name. Google won because search became a habit-forming product people grew accustomed to using. Bing was once effectively indistinguishable from Google Search, yet still failed to achieve mass adoption because users had already become accustomed to “Googling” things. The same could be…

Their current strategy is "make the product affordable in tiny little bursts here and there." That is not a great way to build a moat.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#173

Post by Aeolun »

Taronar wrote: post #161
rootusrootus wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels like 5.6-Sol is already fairly close to Fable, and in some ways exceeds it. Just the other day I had Fable draw up a solution for me, and then I fed it into 5.6-Sol and said how does this look ... it found an oversight and told me about it, and when I then fed that observation back into Claude it acknowledged the miss. I've noticed also that 5.6-Sol is more concise with output than Fable (and let's not talk…

Did you try to say "think more deeply about this problem" to fable after getting your solution, having one model focused on creation then blaming it for not doing proper review when the other model was told to focus sol-ely (pun intended) on review is not a fair apples to apples compaision

I mean, then it sits there stewing for 20-30 minutes when you can ask sol and get the same answer in 5.

Like, the quality of the anthropic models is fine, but they’re so incredibly slow. Claude reads files one at a time while codes dispatches tool calls three or four a time.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#174

Post by retinaros »

JacobAsmuth wrote: post #93
retinaros wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is no evidence. it shortcuts post training by a huge margin this is true. but that is all.

https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/30/elon-musk-testifies-that-x... Make sure to stay updated!

Nothing against what I said in there. Distillation is far from enough to get to the frontier. Its at best a ramp (the most efficient one used by everyone ) that shortcut and saves millions of rl runs before a model moves.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#175

Post by fireant »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #157
BatmansMom wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Difference is that it was free to google/bing search. Ai prompting costs money. If I run out of tokens on ChatGPT of course I will try Claude. I never ran out of Google searches so no reason to try Bing

OpenAI has a free tier. I'm guessing a lot of people never need to upgrade. Not the case for me but I can see the average person only needing to run a few prompts every day.

My understanding is that most OpenAI users are on a free tier. Secondary effect of this is that OpenAI free tier model capability (assuming Luna) is what what most users associate with frontier AI capability giving somewhat warped view to many people.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#176

Post by Rover222 »

porkpieshoe wrote: post #155
cameronh90 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an engineering bet. Musk's bet is dysfunctional politics will make it impossible to build enough data centres and the energy needed to power them. There are many, many reasons that might be wrong. However, if the economics are even close to viable, they could start throwing up data centres quicker than anyone can build them terrestrially (at least in the democratic west).

So to be clear, the prediction is that every single location on earth will be economically infeasible due to politics, and that these same politics will have no impact on the launch or satellite businesses? GMAFB. It's stock pump bullshit from a guy who has figured out how to extract the maximum from stock markets.

Meanwhile Nvidia just announced a space-optimized Vera Rubin designed with SpaceX designed for orbital datacenters.

But yeah, I'm sure you people with Elon Derangement Syndrome actually have it all figured out /s

https://x.com/nvidia/status/2091920680317046847

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#177

Post by nahnahno »

My prediction is that this becomes permanent. There is no good reason to be much more expensive than opus. At $4/$20 they are roughly at parity.

Making 2/10 permanent would be a killer move and make a strong argument against open-weight. For the sake of the open weight ecosystem I hope they do not.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#178

Post by jdjdjdkske »

chasd00 wrote: post #111
state_less wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's something startling about how (relatively) simple these networks are and yet how powerful they are. The main ingredient the AI darlings are using is vast amounts of compute and data. I don't want to take away anything from what the researchers came up with, but I suspect even they are surprised at how capable some of these models have become.

early on there was a lot of talk about "emergent behaviors" in the models where they were good at things that were unexpected or did not align to the training data. IIRC doing arithmetic is one example from early on. I think this is where the AGI craze took off, the labs were throwing more and more data in the training to see what other behaviors would emerge. The thought was with enough data and enough parameters AG…

this comment is delusional. LLMs are awful at arithmetic and AGI is still very sci-fi, otherwise Claude would have told Anthropic how to cheaply generate energy for it to justify its existence by now. As long as the energy use debate persists you can be assured AGI has not arrived.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#179

Post by maxgiraldo »

tccole wrote: post #146
nozzlegear wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If OpenAI and Anthropic are smart, they will maintain similar pricing rather than aggressively undercutting each other, allowing the market to resemble Home Depot and Lowe’s, or cloud computing, where AWS, Google Cloud, and Azure coexist as highly profitable competitors. Wouldn't that just be price fixing? If they arrive at their prices independently and they all happen to be similar, fine. But if they're all "smar…

Illegal for sure but rarely enforced.

My understanding is that collusion among competitors is illegal (although I’m not a lawyer). I was referring instead to the prisoner’s dilemma that Bruce Greenwald discusses in Competition Demystified. In theory, competitors, like prisoners who are pitted against one another to rat on one another, are usually better off cooperating rather than turning against each other.

Re: OpenAI: GPT 5.6 Sol price reduction (until at least Nov 21)

#180

Post by pseudony »

pseudony wrote: post #54
ElijahLynn wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Altman specifically has said in an interview that I listened to once that he envisions AI being as cheap as electricity.

He also wanted to do a non-profit. He even raised money on that premise. He is a pathological liar, so is Dario. Don’t rely on the benevolence or truthfulness of these people. They will say whatever is beneficial to say in the moment.

Telling. Downvotes but actually no arguments. Fitting, because there are none.

Referring to a baseless prediction by Sam Altman that AI will become like electricity without any push-back? Who really thinks Sam is working toward that future?

He already worked to undo every early promise made (non-profit, open source models, strong governing board, strong ethics/alignment/security focus). He's flip-flopped on other things like first characterising Trump "an unprecedented threat to America", then contributing 1M USD to Trump's inaugural fund far exceeding his earlier political contributions. Lately OpenAI, under his supervision, has also been working with Anthropic to lobby regulators in Washington for restrictions on open weights models - why so if not to undermine a free market in favour of an oligopoly?

Beyond that, you have the simple fact that most of his personal wealth and very probably the fate of OpenAI hinges on AI inference NOT becoming an interchangeable commodity.

I mean.. Honestly. The naivete is downright astounding.

Post reply on HN