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Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by grumbel »

fluoridation wrote: post #30
grumbel wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> XMPP is the pinnacle of chat that just works. Not my experience. I had to give up on it since it was just completely flooded with spam, and unlike mail readers that have ways to mitigate it, XMPP clients were ill prepared. Might still work if you keep your address hidden, but as chat-like alternative to a public email it just stopped working years ago.

What do you mean? You have to accept a friend request before someone can message you. It's more spam-resistant than email, not less. That said, I don't know if there's anything that prevents spamming friend requests.

And how am I going to find the valid friend requests under the hundreds of spam ones? I used it just like a chat version of public email, for bug reports and such, so I don't know who is going to message me beforehand.

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by abound »

I recently migrated from Google Voice to jmp.chat, which is a telephony/SMS/etc bridge to XMPP. I use Dino on my laptop, and Cheogram on my phone, and the experience has been quite nice and seamless. Next step is to host my own Prosody server and import my whole Google Voice history.

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by daneel_w »

grumbel wrote: post #28
1970-01-01 wrote: post #17

XMPP is the pinnacle of chat that just works. And it is champion by default, which is kind of the point here. All other popular systems and servers went defunct; it will never be taken over by BigCo and left to rot. Here's to 25 more years!

> XMPP is the pinnacle of chat that just works. Not my experience. I had to give up on it since it was just completely flooded with spam, and unlike mail readers that have ways to mitigate it, XMPP clients were ill prepared. Might still work if you keep your address hidden, but as chat-like alternative to a public email it just stopped working years ago.

I think that's a symptom of the provider you chose, not the XMPP sphere itself. I've used Jabber/XMPP for just over 15 years and while I've seen plenty of bullshit going on in various highly popular MUCs (join-floods, phishing attempts and such) I've never personally been subjected to spam directed at me.

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by giancarlostoro »

zeafoamrun wrote: post #16
giancarlostoro wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a time where both Google Chat (whatever it was called back then I lost track) and Facebook Chat were built on it. So you might have.

You're right. I know at least one company used XMPP for things like customer support chat too. So maybe I have. I just mean the last time I used it intentionally was a long time ago before I was worn down futilely trying to convince friends to use it instead of locked down chat apps.

That's fair, no worries.

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by giancarlostoro »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #25
giancarlostoro wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a time where both Google Chat (whatever it was called back then I lost track) and Facebook Chat were built on it. So you might have.

Google Talk - and it was an actual federating XMPP server, in contrast to Facebook which merely allowed you to login with an XMPP client.

There was a point where Google and Facebook supported external clients, and then within the same year both Google and Facebook closed up to any external clients, then ultimately ditching XMPP.

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by fluoridation »

grumbel wrote: post #31
fluoridation wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? You have to accept a friend request before someone can message you. It's more spam-resistant than email, not less. That said, I don't know if there's anything that prevents spamming friend requests.

And how am I going to find the valid friend requests under the hundreds of spam ones? I used it just like a chat version of public email, for bug reports and such, so I don't know who is going to message me beforehand.

Fair enough. I've only ever used XMPP when Google chat used it and at work in the days before Slack.

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by tcfhgj »

daneel_w wrote: post #33
grumbel wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> XMPP is the pinnacle of chat that just works. Not my experience. I had to give up on it since it was just completely flooded with spam, and unlike mail readers that have ways to mitigate it, XMPP clients were ill prepared. Might still work if you keep your address hidden, but as chat-like alternative to a public email it just stopped working years ago.

I think that's a symptom of the provider you chose, not the XMPP sphere itself. I've used Jabber/XMPP for just over 15 years and while I've seen plenty of bullshit going on in various highly popular MUCs (join-floods, phishing attempts and such) I've never personally been subjected to spam directed at me.

I have joined XMPP rooms via Matrix and have already gotten spam from XMPP this way

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by d3Xt3r »

exe34 wrote: post #13
delduca wrote: post #10

It was so cool when facebook, google and others used to use xmpp, at that time I used a single IM client https://adium.im

I had amsn when msn and yahoo messenger were the place everybody I knew was at.

I was on Miranda. It was tiny and portable (unlike Trillian) and could connect to pretty much every popular messaging service, including IRC. And in spite of being able to connect to everything, it used far lesser memory than even just a single instance of MSN and Yahoo. It was one of my go-to apps that I'd install on a freshly formatted PC back in the day.
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