Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence • Hacker News Board

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by giancarlostoro » Mon, Aug 24, 2026, 5:11 PM UTC

zeafoamrun wrote: post #9

And I haven't used XMPP for about 20 of them (sadly)

There was a time where both Google Chat (whatever it was called back then I lost track) and Facebook Chat were built on it. So you might have.

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by delduca » Mon, Aug 24, 2026, 5:13 PM UTC

I think Android still uses XMPP to delivery push notifications under the hood

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by exe34 » Mon, Aug 24, 2026, 5:20 PM UTC

delduca wrote: post #10

It was so cool when facebook, google and others used to use xmpp, at that time I used a single IM client https://adium.im

I had amsn when msn and yahoo messenger were the place everybody I knew was at.

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by inputmice » Mon, Aug 24, 2026, 5:22 PM UTC

delduca wrote: post #12

I think Android still uses XMPP to delivery push notifications under the hood

Indeed. And on a Google-free Android phone the XMPP client Conversations can utilize its existing, permanent XMPP connection to deliver push notifications to other (mostly open-source) apps using an alternative to Google push (FCM) called UnifiedPush.

There was a talk at FOSDEM about that.

https://gultsch.video/w/gRGZqKKvNBvvMesyWNQzoK

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by telesilla » Mon, Aug 24, 2026, 5:24 PM UTC

Google & XMPP standards foundation develop the very useful Jingle XEP, so XMPP is linked to the history of Google Voice and whatever Google Talk/Chat turned into, maybe somehow inspiring Google Meet? Jingle was also inspirational to WebRTC signalling.

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by zeafoamrun » Mon, Aug 24, 2026, 5:35 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #11

zeafoamrun wrote: post #9

And I haven't used XMPP for about 20 of them (sadly)

There was a time where both Google Chat (whatever it was called back then I lost track) and Facebook Chat were built on it. So you might have.

You're right. I know at least one company used XMPP for things like customer support chat too. So maybe I have. I just mean the last time I used it intentionally was a long time ago before I was worn down futilely trying to convince friends to use it instead of locked down chat apps.

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by 1970-01-01 » Mon, Aug 24, 2026, 5:50 PM UTC

XMPP is the pinnacle of chat that just works. And it is champion by default, which is kind of the point here. All other popular systems and servers went defunct; it will never be taken over by BigCo and left to rot. Here's to 25 more years!

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by writtenone » Mon, Aug 24, 2026, 5:51 PM UTC

Are there any XMPP clients with the UX and privacy of Signal?

All of them seem to look like they're from the 00s!

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by pantalaimon » Mon, Aug 24, 2026, 5:53 PM UTC

writtenone wrote: post #18

Are there any XMPP clients with the UX and privacy of Signal? All of them seem to look like they're from the 00s!

https://dino.im/

Re: Jabber/XMPP: 25 Years of Digital Independence

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Post by writtenone » Mon, Aug 24, 2026, 5:56 PM UTC

pantalaimon wrote: post #19

writtenone wrote: post #18

Are there any XMPP clients with the UX and privacy of Signal? All of them seem to look like they're from the 00s!

https://dino.im/

Thanks! Any good Android clients? "Conversations" seems to be the best and it's nowhere near the polish of Signal & Co. crashes often, UX is clunky, family will never stick with it.