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Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by adwn »

plutomeetsyou wrote: post #191
yoz-y wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

Countries and institutions should always produce things where they are excellent at producing, in forms of specialization and compete in terms of comparative advantages.

This attitude, if followed without qualifications, is dangerously naive and shortsighted, as the last few years of geopolitical events have shown.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by zamadatix »

strictnein wrote: post #82

Missing the most important metric: processing power per watt. I have some server CPUs laying around that can also beat Apple CPUs. But putting them in a compact, densely packed, sealed box (aka a phone) would result in a fireball and almost no battery life.

> I have some server CPUs laying around that can also beat Apple CPUs

In multicore, sure. In most single threaded workloads as well? That'd be interesting enough on its own, regardless of wattage (though that'd make it even more interesting), as my A19 device gives my overclocked 9800X3D a run for its money (and some losses) in single threaded workloads. Considering that's the only thing the 9800X3D is really targeting, it's impressive beyond just whether or not it does so with less power.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by stirfish »

TheDong wrote: post #66
lenerdenator wrote: post #41

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> I don't personally consider "China" my adversary They're not an adversary in the same way that a guy demanding your wallet at knifepoint is, or a company able to cut off your electricity is. China is an adversary in the sense that they're a totalitarian government, who, by the nature of that system, cannot brook any sort of opposition to their ideology, plans, or desires. All within the state, none without. That so…

I mean, China's seems to be doing an okay job at coexisting with other countries. Especially when you compare it to the US, where our democracy and capitalism have led us to numerous wars and war-crimes. Like, just this year, we've committed far more breaches of international law than china https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_the_2026_Iran_war#... In recent history, we performed dozens of violent coups and dest…

Kind of an okay job, but they could do better. I might feel differently if I lived in Tibet, Hong Kong, Xinjian, Myanmar, etc.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by deadlast2 »

yoz-y wrote: post #111
pelagicAustral wrote: post #53

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> This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm. And good news for everyone else.

Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

I don't think it's by choice just ask all those extinct manufacturers

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

TSiege wrote: post #187
yoz-y wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

I think describing what's happening "other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country" is disingenuous. It's been dubbed China Shock 2.0 and it's being taken very seriously by the EU. The US admin is a joke and too busy shooting itself in both feet to have coherent policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Shock_2.0

yet somehow the outcome for the US has been much better. EU wins on paper though, yay!

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by frollogaston »

StilesCrisis wrote: post #192
cyp0633 wrote: post #154

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some chinese youtubers have posted their test results, seems pretty good, but the devices have been provided to them in advance fwiw

I'm sure it benchmarks well, but does it actually have good battery life?

Even aside from battery life, high TDP means thermal throttling under sustained load. Which most of these benchmarks don't really test, or if they did, the ambient temperature affects the results.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by testing22321 »

Alien1Being wrote: post #120

Xiaomi also make amazing cars. "WSJ I Test Drove a Chinese EV. Now I Don't Want to Buy American Cars Anymore. https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/chinese-ev-test-drive... "

The CEO of Ford directly said if Chinese EVs are allowed into the US it will be the end of US auto manufacturing.

They know they are inferior, and choose not to compete, just lobby for more regulations to keep competitors out. Free market, haha.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by Grombobulous »

yoz-y wrote: post #111
pelagicAustral wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm. And good news for everyone else.

Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

I think Western people still call this situation “outsourcing” when in reality what is happening is that China is better at manufacturing than everyone else, and they’re starting to be better than everyone else at design and engineering, too.

When we buy software from Silicon Valley or a nice Mercedes Benz from Germany we don’t use this same language “outsourcing.”

Colloquially, outsourcing implies low quality or cheap price. No, what’s happening here is that China makes the best products in numerous categories and we are choosing to import them, because the best products are the most desirable.

Re: Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded

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Post by Brybry »

yoz-y wrote: post #111
pelagicAustral wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is bad news for Mediatek and Qualcomm. And good news for everyone else.

Yes and no. Having more competition in the space is excellent news. However I am sad that the world interdependence is eroding as most other countries seem to sit on their hands and happily outsource every bit of manufacturing to a single country.

Xiaomi's Xring O3 is manufactured by TSMC N3P process in Taiwan. [1]

MediaTek Dimensity 9500 is also manufactured by TSMC N3P process in Taiwan. [2]

There was no world interdependence change (unless one considers China and Taiwan to be the same countries).

[1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-launches-XRing-O3-claim...

[2] https://www.notebookcheck.net/MediaTek-Dimensity-9500-Proces...

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