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Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by roamerz »

trueno wrote: post #196
roamerz wrote: post #77

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I have to agree with you there. I did some good work with Claude then Fable came out - impressed with that as well. Then they dropped access to it and upon returning was never the same - even the Opus models for some reason. Then one day I burned through my limit in about 10 minutes and had to get a project completed. I subscribed to Codex and it has been fantastic - finished my project and continued on to others. I…

my problem with claude currently is the language its using is dense and feels like its not even meant for humans. this guy is calling everything a spine, a seam, a gate, load bearing, any ui element is "chrome", it's actually absurd.

yeah there is that too. if everything else I stated wasn’t wrong I could put up with that. Codex on the other hand is great. Concise, technical, effective and non chatty. And that my friend is a load bearing comment.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by fooster »

skeledrew wrote: post #299
fooster wrote: post #290

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I'm certainly reading the code and comments, and I encourage all of my team members to do so. You are assuming that this excessive and nonsensnical comment choice is deliberate. It cannot be, or should not be because it regularly confused our team, and it regularly confuses claude also. Also many many people keep saying the same thing and you keep repeating adnausium the same tired comments. I get it, you think the c…

Why wouldn't it be deliberate? Do you think it's happening without the Anthropic team's go ahead? Or maybe they aren't aware that it's happening? Yes, I "push back" because an LLM using any means at it's disposal to improve itself is just a logical thing, and I have seen it help Claude. Because I read the live transcript (so I know what it's doing and can steer if I see it veering off), I've seen quite a few times th…

> Why wouldn't it be deliberate? Do you think it's happening without the Anthropic team's go ahead? Or maybe they aren't aware that it's happening?

Yes that’s exactly what I think. I also don’t think the team was aware that opus 5 talks like an overcooked gibbon either. And what’s more I’m certain that it will do neither very soon.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by gls2ro »

agentdev001 wrote: post #60

Im trying to do my part in the world here. This post needs an edit. Author is not comparing "Codex" and "Claude". They are comparing Codex TUI/CLI with (presumably) gpt-5.6-sol, against Claude Code TUI/CLI with (presumably) Claude-Opus-5. Ctrl + f > [5.6, sol, sonnet, opus or fable] yields no results. "Claude" is a product family, which includes Models, and Harnesses (and probably more). "Claude code" covers both the…

Author of the article here.

Yes, sorry for this. I think I rushed to post that and did not expected to be read by so many people.

I used Codex TUI on MacOS using `gpt-5.6-sol xhigh` vs Claude Code TUI on MacOS using `opus-5 xhigh`. Of course it was a mixed work with subagents being Sonnet 5 in case of Claude Code and Terra 5.6 and Luna 5.6 in case of Codex.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by gls2ro »

ukuina wrote: post #5

Which models? It is not useful to compare harnesses without this information.

Author of the article here.

Yes, sorry for this. I think I rushed to post that and did not expected to be read by so many people.

I used Codex TUI on MacOS using `gpt-5.6-sol xhigh` vs Claude Code TUI on MacOS using `opus-5 xhigh`. Of course it was a mixed work with subagents being Sonnet 5 in case of Claude Code and Terra 5.6 and Luna 5.6 in case of Codex.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by gls2ro »

skerit wrote: post #257

> A week of using Codex more than Claude Which Claude is this about? Sonnet, Opus, Fable? All totally different beasts.

Author of the article here.

Yes, sorry for this. I think I rushed to post that and did not expected to be read by so many people.

I used Codex TUI on MacOS using `gpt-5.6-sol xhigh` vs Claude Code TUI on MacOS using `opus-5 xhigh`. Of course it was a mixed work with subagents being Sonnet 5 in case of Claude Code and Terra 5.6 and Luna 5.6 in case of Codex.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by freepiai »

dbbk wrote: post #297
freepiai wrote: post #295

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Are you using the desktop verion? The CLi is very robust, but these days it just feels crazy slow to me.

This was on desktop Codex yes, does CLI do it differently?

In general I find the CLI is more robust and reliable. I frequently hit some weird bug in the desktop versions.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by skeledrew »

fooster wrote: post #302
skeledrew wrote: post #299

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Why wouldn't it be deliberate? Do you think it's happening without the Anthropic team's go ahead? Or maybe they aren't aware that it's happening? Yes, I "push back" because an LLM using any means at it's disposal to improve itself is just a logical thing, and I have seen it help Claude. Because I read the live transcript (so I know what it's doing and can steer if I see it veering off), I've seen quite a few times th…

> Why wouldn't it be deliberate? Do you think it's happening without the Anthropic team's go ahead? Or maybe they aren't aware that it's happening? Yes that’s exactly what I think. I also don’t think the team was aware that opus 5 talks like an overcooked gibbon either. And what’s more I’m certain that it will do neither very soon.

Well, if in the future I see a marked decrease of comments along with a distinct drop in agent effectiveness, I'll know where to put the blame.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by skeledrew »

fooster wrote: post #302
skeledrew wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't it be deliberate? Do you think it's happening without the Anthropic team's go ahead? Or maybe they aren't aware that it's happening? Yes, I "push back" because an LLM using any means at it's disposal to improve itself is just a logical thing, and I have seen it help Claude. Because I read the live transcript (so I know what it's doing and can steer if I see it veering off), I've seen quite a few times th…

> Why wouldn't it be deliberate? Do you think it's happening without the Anthropic team's go ahead? Or maybe they aren't aware that it's happening? Yes that’s exactly what I think. I also don’t think the team was aware that opus 5 talks like an overcooked gibbon either. And what’s more I’m certain that it will do neither very soon.

I just had Perplexity check out the Bun code to get an idea of how "comment crazy" it is[0]. Based on the results I'd say it's good signal that Anthropic is pretty aware that Claude loves to comment the non-obvious, and this is a desired feature (unless they're somehow clueless about what's happening in a signature public-facing project). Which, again, is a logical take so there isn't a profusion of auto-memory entries, oversized CLAUDE.md, etc which all require extra tool calls or are always in the context window.

[0] https://www.perplexity.ai/search/d6bd0bde-5329-4c0b-a22c-72b...

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by 0x457 »

skeledrew wrote: post #300
0x457 wrote: post #298

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I don't notice it because, agent running in full-auto until there is a PR to review or decisions to make. If I wanted to go step-by-step, I'd write code myself with LLM auto-complete. I only leave meta-comments in if its actually helpful (i.e. it goes in a wrong direction without it)

I run Claude Code in auto-mode (or bypass when sandboxed) and still am able to monitor the transcript because - possibly by design - it works slowly enough that I can keep up and usually steer; there's no going "step-by-step". In contrast, whenever I use DeepSeek Flash, it goes so fast that I'm unable to keep up, so I primarily prompt it via Claude and also have a separate review in a fresh session, usually also by a…

> transcript because - possibly by design

Except you have to expand to see writes, and if sub-agents are used, suddenly you need to monitor N transcripts. Workflows are even harder to see as they go, but workflows are what make it not have amnesia about rules you set for it. Workflows also can't be steered.

Claude Code is just about geared towards "prompt it and let it do its thing"

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by skeledrew »

0x457 wrote: post #309
skeledrew wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run Claude Code in auto-mode (or bypass when sandboxed) and still am able to monitor the transcript because - possibly by design - it works slowly enough that I can keep up and usually steer; there's no going "step-by-step". In contrast, whenever I use DeepSeek Flash, it goes so fast that I'm unable to keep up, so I primarily prompt it via Claude and also have a separate review in a fresh session, usually also by a…

> transcript because - possibly by design Except you have to expand to see writes, and if sub-agents are used, suddenly you need to monitor N transcripts. Workflows are even harder to see as they go, but workflows are what make it not have amnesia about rules you set for it. Workflows also can't be steered. Claude Code is just about geared towards "prompt it and let it do its thing"

I don't look at the writes unless there's something off in the prose or I know my request might be problematic/vague. For the most part the prose is a suitable signal for how well Claude is doing. I really dislike subagents as their transcripts are obscured, so I made something[0] to remedy that. I depend a lot on being able to see not only what the agent did, but the series of decisions that got it there because that helps me to improve my prompting skills as well as to determine if I should prompt a skill for X or memory entry for Y.

[0] https://gitlab.com/skeledrew/jaiver

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