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Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by KronisLV »

bob1029 wrote: post #237

I'm still using gpt-5.5 in copilot (visual studio proper) as a "custom" model. It feels like I've been enjoying an ~unpatched exploit while everyone else wallows in the proverbial mud. A large part of what pushes developers toward these products appears to be the billing model. Pre-paying for tokens is some kind of ideological red line for a lot of developers. I think this is a strategic error. The subscription model…

> Pre-paying for tokens is some kind of ideological red line for a lot of developers.

If I can get a few subscriptions for 100 - 200 EUR month and NOT have to pay 3000 - 9000 EUR (based on ccusage and some other stats) in tokens then it’s a no brainer for me to do that.

I don’t get why paying per token would be better if it’s economically disadvantageous.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by timr »

sdthjbvuiiijbb wrote: post #239
timr wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find your position so completely devoid of any inkling of personal or social responsibility that it takes quite some empathy to muster up a reply that's not wildly uncivil. Oh stop. Other people believe different things than you. If you cannot see how using a coding agent is not "devoid of personal or social responsibility", then you really need to step away from the keyboard.

Using or not using a coding agent is not what I took issue with. What I find devoid of responsibility is the argument you made originally--that making choices as a consumer informed by anything external to the direct value you're paying for is pointless/inexplicable/self-sabotaging/whatever. Based on your reply, I'm not actually sure if you actually believe this, or if it's only a form of motivated reasoning because…

> What I find devoid of responsibility is the argument you made originally--that making choices as a consumer informed by anything external to the direct value you're paying for is pointless/inexplicable/self-sabotaging/whatever.

That isn't what I wrote. There are tons of valid reasons to avoid a product, other than the "direct value you're paying for". I don't pay for lots of products because I don't like the past corporate behavior, for example. I'm disinclined to use a particular AI lab's products because they seem to be on a mission to scare the crap out of everyone, and usher in an AI regulatory state. I don't support that, so I don't use the product.

What I said was that it's spitting in the wind to do what you're doing, because it's based on personal dislike of a single man. You don't like Musk, for political reasons, and because of that you've ruled out a product line.

To date, SpaceX has done nothing that bothers me, other than have a bug that they fixed immediately. So I use the product. Musk's political associations are irrelevant to me.

Anyway, you do you. Hopefully you now understand my "bizarre take".

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by [deleted] »

lelanthran wrote: post #248
bob1029 wrote: post #237

I'm still using gpt-5.5 in copilot (visual studio proper) as a "custom" model. It feels like I've been enjoying an ~unpatched exploit while everyone else wallows in the proverbial mud. A large part of what pushes developers toward these products appears to be the billing model. Pre-paying for tokens is some kind of ideological red line for a lot of developers. I think this is a strategic error. The subscription model…

> Those paying $100/m+ for subscription access are almost certainly getting taken for a ride based upon my experience with prepaid tokens. I don't understand what this means. Are they overpaying and getting less? Typically "taken for a ride" means, exactly "The seller got more out of the deal than usual sellers would". Buying a burger for $3000 == "taken for a ride". Paying $30 for all you can eat != "taken for a rid…

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Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by OtomotO »

socalgal2 wrote: post #209
sharlos201068 wrote: post #204

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There's a difference between not trusting a company because it's a company driven to chase profit at the expense of everything else, versus the same thing but it's run by a literal nazi that uses his companies as leverage to undermine democracy and enrich himself.

Elon is not a literal Nazi.

He used their salute

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by felixgallo »

slopinthebag wrote: post #172
felixgallo wrote: post #147

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So we as a country have, for many decades, decided that things like 'soft power' exist. It turns out, and this has been borne out by many years of relative peace and prosperity, that if you don't shit on the world, alienate your neighbors, start ill-advised wars, and instead help prevent global disease pandemics and feed people so that they don't become destabilizing terrorists out of necessity, benefits accrue. See…

That is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Serious question, how many people, by your own standards, have you had killed because you haven't contributed money that you had the capacity for? Why should we hold you at a lesser standard than anyone else?

your argument is obviously ridiculous and you should feel bad about it.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by cpursley »

timr wrote: post #221
defrost wrote: post #210

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Sure, way to young for that; but he is very much cut from the Nazi adjacent, racist, antisemitic, antidemocratic, technocratic views of his whole heartedly apartheid embracing grandfather Joshua N. Haldeman. His grandfather wrote his tracts to raise an alarm about what he called “mind control,” on the radio and television, where “an unconditional propaganda warfare is carried on against the White man.” ~ https://www.…

So, your argument is that his grandfather wrote something, once, so therefore we can't use Grok? Is that about right? Man, politics are a hell of a drug. Guilt-by-association tu quoque logic is just fine when it's someone you don't like.

People have bent themselves into some pretty amusing mental places over Musk.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by datakan »

timr wrote: post #221
defrost wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, way to young for that; but he is very much cut from the Nazi adjacent, racist, antisemitic, antidemocratic, technocratic views of his whole heartedly apartheid embracing grandfather Joshua N. Haldeman. His grandfather wrote his tracts to raise an alarm about what he called “mind control,” on the radio and television, where “an unconditional propaganda warfare is carried on against the White man.” ~ https://www.…

So, your argument is that his grandfather wrote something, once, so therefore we can't use Grok? Is that about right? Man, politics are a hell of a drug. Guilt-by-association tu quoque logic is just fine when it's someone you don't like.

Absolutely no point arguing with these people. They are so ideologically captured that it's pointless trying to discuss anything with them. Just move on. Everything and everyone they disagree with is "nazi" and if you say anything contrary to that you're a "nazi" also.
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