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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by AlwaysRock »

a1371 wrote: post #113

Where Anthropic f'ed up was treating their monetization the way they treat model training. Turns out that success in experimentation is not transferrable. They have tried to find the highest that the market pays for sota models; however, on the consumer side, this is just too confusing and unsettling: "You can only use Fable for a week as a part of your plan" "Be ready! You have to start paying per token!" "Nevermind…

Yup. It also seems like the latest and greatest is a smaller and smaller gap everytime. I will continue using the second best more affordable model until a new model comes out, everyone talks about how great it is, and the last greatest model becomes the second best and costs the same as the previous model I was using.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by neya »

urbnspacecowboy wrote: post #501
neya wrote: post #492

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I'm surprised no one mentions about their recent privacy violation(s). The breaking point for me was the privacy violation. They've been fingerprinting every request and violating users' privacy hoping no one would notice. Too bad, someone found out and that was the day when I cancelled my subscription. https://thereallo.dev/blog/claude-code-prompt-steganography

Like many things that "nobody's talking about", people really are talking about it. Discussion from two months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48734373

No, that was the very first time that article was submitted to HN. That's not called "talking about" it. Talking about it means highlighting this enough in discussions so users really know their privacy is being compromised. I have more respect for AI companies that openly talk about selling user data than the ones pretending to be privacy heroes while doing the opposite.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by Rover222 »

nik736 wrote: post #547

For me Opus 5 was the nail in the coffin. Fable without the restrictions was a great model, but became unusable with the security guardrails. Opus 5 became so bad and slow it's unbearable. And since Fable falls back to Opus all the time it was time to switch. Me and my friends are calling it Slowpus by now... Up until some weeks ago Anthropic was the king, but we all switched to Grok 4.6. It became slow as well but i…

Grok 4.6 is great

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by czhu12 »

Its like the world speedran the problem with phones where at one point, annual upgrades really didn't make a difference between everything was so good already.

At this point, every model writes code about as good as I'll need for the stuff that I'm working on, and with the right harness, I'm perfectly happy to let them cook, until it comes up with something working. Whether it takes 10 minutes or an hour really makes no difference to me.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by jayGlow »

queenkjuul wrote: post #558
codebje wrote: post #169

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I pay for my tokens for my own projects, at least when the ones Google seems willing to keep throwing at me for free don't cut it. I'd think that's not too uncommon, especially here where there's likely a high ratio of hobby coders (whether also professionals or otherwise).

Free tier Gemini is good enough for my personal projects and hopefully a local model can replace it before i ever personally pay for a single token from anyone. Work can pay a Claude sub. At home i see no need

local models are getting pretty close. they still require some serious hardware to run at a reasonable rate but they're about smart enough to be useful.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by Zylokloto »

kbrannigan wrote: post #568
Zylokloto wrote: post #487

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Yeah StackOverflow which was either telling you to use google or it was so specific, that no one wanted/could respond. Even a year ago when i was trying to do a hugo template manually with the help of the documentatin /tutorial, it was shit. The LLM at that time, was better helping me than the documentation.

But it worked and it was so useful that LLM companies siphoned their data. It was how i learned programming

I personally do not remember this time of Stack Overflow.

I had some helpful people helping me on IRC / Quakenet.

But the hugo example i found very interesting because it was the latest hugo ducumentation and I don't think I was able to find a tutorial. I tried it without an LLM first.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by edgyquant »

kbrannigan wrote: post #603
edgyquant wrote: post #574

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I dislike these comments just as much. What do you want people to show you? Most of us work on projects for other people where tasks that used to take a week take a day or less. It’s also a no true Scotsman as nothing we could show would be “good enough” because it’s just the same software engineering as before but faster. But for instance I used to work in 1-2 client projects at a time and they take months now I can…

I wonder if the project you build are more one off Disposable(sorry for my choice of words) software. Do you have project that needs to be maintained. I am also interested in your workflow. Do you Vibe code , never look at the code or do you hold the LLM agent's hand. I feel like it's a spectrum

I work on real projects with paying customers with the occasional mvp here, but I tend to select for people who have distribution so mvps become apps that need maintenance almost every time.

If anything maintenance is where it gets easier the mvp stage is where more focus is required

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by j_maffe »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #326
rustcleaner wrote: post #277

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>ZDR Zero Data Retention, for the uninitiated readers in this thread. The no-ZDR is clearly to permit surveillance. I would be shocked if NSA wasn't all up in these SOTA model providers' systems. Never subscribe!

> The no-ZDR is clearly to permit surveillance. It's to train better models. The three letter agencies don't need to spell it out in a ToS, they just access it if they want.

Not if there's a ZDR policy.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by smoe »

walthamstow wrote: post #450
airspresso wrote: post #431

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Wait, it's allowed again? Completely missed that. Been avoiding to use it and trying to find workarounds, not great.

I can't find the page now but yes they quietly "paused" the June 15th rollout of API pricing for -p headless. Presumably to come back again one day.

I think they didn't even bother making a separate post about their backpedaling, they just slapped some disclaimers onto the existing page:

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...

Update June 15: We're pausing the changes to Claude Agent SDK usage described below. For now, nothing has changed: Claude Agent SDK, claude -p, and third-party app usage still draw from your subscription's usage limits. The previously announced monthly credit, which would have been available to eligible claimants in connection with these changes, isn't available. We’re working to update the plan to better support how users build with Claude subscriptions. When we have an update, we'll share it before anything takes effect.

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