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Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by rolisz »

bean469 wrote: post #530
theshrike79 wrote: post #432

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That's when you do the Enterprise deal. I have first hand knowledge of household name companies with billion euro IP who use OpenAI and Athropic products quite liberally. They have WAY more lawyers than I do and their sole job is to keep the IP safe. They wouldn't sign a deal with even a slightest whiff of the IP being used to train anything. And if it happens, the penalty for breach of contract would have so many ze…

> Although the LLM providers state that they will not use your data for training when you sign an enterprise deal It can be very hard to prove in court that your data was used for training

If it happened and you get to court, it's probably fairly simple to prove in court (subpoena, discovery, etc). It's not like training will happen only once and then they'll delete the data and all references to it. When training models, you want to have a full lineage of how you obtained it.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by nananana9 »

echelon wrote: post #341
kbrannigan wrote: post #266

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remember 4 year ago we use to : have stack overflow open, documentation, obscure forums plus other tabs. An ide open with 20 tabs open each file a component, a class or an interface We also use to hold entire codebases in our brain.

And now I'm getting 10-20x as much done. I'd say the trade off is worth it. I'm struggling to scale myself even further. This tech is unreal and I have so many things I can do. For the first time, tech feels like the 90's-00's again. Everything is greenfield and exciting and big tech is struggling to figure out what to do about it. People are just hacking all kinds of stuff, and it's awesome. Feels like techno utopia…

I've seen this exact comment what feels like twice a day for the last 2 years, and not once have I seen the person making it back it up and show something even remotely impressive.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by catlifeonmars »

rhdunn wrote: post #500
kbrannigan wrote: post #264

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How many big tech companies let you talk to a human to get support. Automation is wonderful to cut cost for them but for the users being unable to get support is a horrible experience. But you cannot go elsewhere because they are the only player in town. How can small companies with 1000x less money able to provide live support, but if you pay 20, 100, 200 dollars for a subscription you dont have a phone number to ca…

Part of it is scale. If you have a small number of clients/users it is possible to provide that support. If you have millions or billions of users then you can't scale the support to handle the support requests, so some form of automation becomes inevitable.

So you overextend, such that the quality of your support suffers? You can just call it what it is: greed. Have you considered that maybe a company shouldn’t have millions or billions of users? That’s a lot of eggs to put in one basket.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by lukan »

fg137 wrote: post #556
lukan wrote: post #512

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Not just with the pricing models and avaiability, also with how the tool behaves. Currently I am fighting "auto-mode" that was introduced recently - and enabled by default without warning - and now I have to watch all the time that it does not got reenabled somehow again, depending on project and device I am developing it. Also that the behavior of the models change, suddenly more fluff in the comments etc is annoyin…

FYI you can disable it globally

In theory yes, I know, but it somehow kept coming again (probably bugs, also I switch dev devices often). For now it seems off.

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Post by semiquaver »

Vespasian wrote: post #360
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #132

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The same for my organization. It's explicitly forbidden in my organization because it's not available with ZDR.

I get where it's coming from but I think it is also very funny if someone actually believes their claims (except as a CYA strategy) The AI companies have already shown how little they care about other peoples intellectual property and they won't care about their customers either if it stands between them and the promises they made to their investors.

This might be a reasonable thing for an individual consumer to believe about the value and enforceability of agreements with large companies, but given the context I think you’re off base.

ZDRs are backed by contracts negotiated against extremely capable and well-resourced counterparties. Being found to violate them would bankrupt even OpenAI and Anthropic many, many times over.

To the extent that you view these companies as your adversaries, it’s worth improving your mental model of their actual incentives and constraints.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by bschwindHN »

echelon wrote: post #341
kbrannigan wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

remember 4 year ago we use to : have stack overflow open, documentation, obscure forums plus other tabs. An ide open with 20 tabs open each file a component, a class or an interface We also use to hold entire codebases in our brain.

And now I'm getting 10-20x as much done. I'd say the trade off is worth it. I'm struggling to scale myself even further. This tech is unreal and I have so many things I can do. For the first time, tech feels like the 90's-00's again. Everything is greenfield and exciting and big tech is struggling to figure out what to do about it. People are just hacking all kinds of stuff, and it's awesome. Feels like techno utopia…

Software is pretty shit these days, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. Definitely doesn't feel like a utopia to me.

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Post by techpression »

thaanpaa wrote: post #444
techpression wrote: post #386

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Well a VA would need access to her account, just like how they would need email access etc. But Anthropic has clearly picked the enterprise side of things, small teams and startups without millions of dollars in token budgets are irrelevant to them. I’m surprised they even got their account back to be honest.

And yet enterprises will be the first to move to on-prem LLMs as soon as they become feasible. The next generation of TPU chips already promises 5x efficiency and enough RAM to run a 1TB+ model, and Kimi K3 is about as good as Fable for a lot of tasks, so we'll be there much sooner than anyone anticipated.

One can only hope, it would be great for everyone, myself included (the company I work for rather)

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Post by kbrannigan »

Zylokloto wrote: post #487
kbrannigan wrote: post #266

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remember 4 year ago we use to : have stack overflow open, documentation, obscure forums plus other tabs. An ide open with 20 tabs open each file a component, a class or an interface We also use to hold entire codebases in our brain.

Yeah StackOverflow which was either telling you to use google or it was so specific, that no one wanted/could respond. Even a year ago when i was trying to do a hugo template manually with the help of the documentatin /tutorial, it was shit. The LLM at that time, was better helping me than the documentation.

But it worked and it was so useful that LLM companies siphoned their data. It was how i learned programming

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Post by coldtea »

serial_dev wrote: post #549
antonvs wrote: post #516

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It’s interesting how much Anthropic itself is a demonstration that its own hype is false.

Just use any product going all in on AI hype. In 5 minutes you will see annoying bugs, server is down, non-sensical press releases, confusing UI. This is GitHub, this is Cursor, this is Anthropic, this is Google, this is all of them.

Including most of vide coded apps one sees, even from people who they'd trust before.

Anecdotal example, I downloaded a new alerting app recently from an indie dev who had a small following back in the day in iOS space. It asked for a subscription, like $20/year.

I thought, let me try this the (final version, from Mac App Store) app first. Well, it's a barely-there vibecoded shit. There's a bare-bones list, everything looks like my nephew designed it, the macOS "app" is a iPhone-size view of the iOS one, it has a bug that if you click on it it opens multiple duplicates of the same list view for no reason that you have to manually close, and in general it barely works.

Yay for vibe coding.

Re: Anthropic's best AI model struggles to attract users as cheaper tools thrive

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Post by kibibu »

This isn't the reason I'm considering leaving Anthropic.

I don't think I can tolerate its writing style anymore. Reading Claude output is starting to cause actual psychological harm. I have tried many ways to get it to stop writing in its stupid punchy linked-in marketing-team voice, and I can't.

Is there a model out there that sounds sound this awful? It's like rubbing sand into the folds of my brain.

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