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A Kantian Critique of "Sorry" by Justin Bieber

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Re: A Kantian Critique of "Sorry" by Justin Bieber

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Post by tgv »

layer8 wrote: post #69
mwillis wrote: post #37

This 3 minute song creates a fleeting portrait of a man, not necessarily Bieber, who we cannot know. The song captures the mindset of a character who, one might infer, cynically knows what he’s trying to do. It’s possible he has no interest in a heartfelt, meaningful apology. In fact, this character - who lives only within the song and the liminal world it creates - may be operating exactly to his own moral preferenc…

> you Kant analyze pop music with confidence Fun fact: The correct German pronunciation of “Kant” isn’t like “can’t”, but like “cunt”.

In American pronunciation. In British, "can't" sounds close to Kant in German, but with a longer a.

Re: A Kantian Critique of "Sorry" by Justin Bieber

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Post by jedimastert »

TRiG_Ireland wrote: post #68

> We cannot attribute any moral judgment to Bieber as a human being; we can only answer the moral question as posed in the song. As a semi-off-topic little rant, why do we always assume that pop singers are singing about themselves and their own experiences? Can a song, as a work of art, not have an independent existence, much as a novel may? Pop, rap, and maybe country songs are all now assumed to be about the artis…

The question might be asked "why would we assume the singer isn't singing about themself?" In modern pop music it's become it's become standard that the "character" an artist "plays" when they're performing or writing is themself; there's no suspension of disbelief like with a play where there's an entire context around knowing that what you're seeing is a portrayal. Same with a book or movie or other works of fiction, and with those forms of media it's clear when you're seeing or reading fiction or non-fiction.

In a sense, some artists write novels and some write memoirs.

Re: A Kantian Critique of "Sorry" by Justin Bieber

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Post by TimorousBestie »

droidjj wrote: post #38
xena wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is AI generated.

Is it? I couldn’t tell and I’m pretty sensitive to machine generated text. Also, the author claims: > No AI was used to generate the text for this article. The cover image and the voiceover in the audio version of the article is AI-generated. The cover image is made using Google Gemini’s latest image model while the voiceover uses OpenAI’s tts models.

> Also, the author claims:

You can slap an arbitrary disclaimer on anything; it doesn’t mean it’s genuine.

Re: A Kantian Critique of "Sorry" by Justin Bieber

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Post by layer8 »

tgv wrote: post #71
layer8 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you Kant analyze pop music with confidence Fun fact: The correct German pronunciation of “Kant” isn’t like “can’t”, but like “cunt”.

In American pronunciation. In British, "can't" sounds close to Kant in German, but with a longer a.

The length of the “a” is what I was alluding to. The British pronunciation still wouldn’t be mistaken for the German one.

Re: A Kantian Critique of "Sorry" by Justin Bieber

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Post by beAbU »

layer8 wrote: post #69
mwillis wrote: post #37

This 3 minute song creates a fleeting portrait of a man, not necessarily Bieber, who we cannot know. The song captures the mindset of a character who, one might infer, cynically knows what he’s trying to do. It’s possible he has no interest in a heartfelt, meaningful apology. In fact, this character - who lives only within the song and the liminal world it creates - may be operating exactly to his own moral preferenc…

> you Kant analyze pop music with confidence Fun fact: The correct German pronunciation of “Kant” isn’t like “can’t”, but like “cunt”.

Even more fun anecdote, barely related.

In a recent South Africa vs England rugby match, an accusation of racism was levied against an SA player because he directed the phrase "white cunt" to one of the English players.

If Afrikaans, the word "kant" (pronounced 'cunt') means "side". "Wit" is "white".

So when he said "wit kant" he really meant "white side". England traditionally wears white livery, South Africa wears green. So it was the "wit kant" vs the "groen kant".

Hilarity and much confusion ensued for a while after that accusation!

Re: A Kantian Critique of "Sorry" by Justin Bieber

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Post by freehorse »

stronglikedan wrote: post #30
andai wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The slop art gave me the wrong impression. I did enjoy the read even thinking it was AI though.

It's not an art piece, it's a writing piece. The illustration is just there for support, not the central focus or even the topic of the article. The author is obviously a decent writer, but I don't see how they should be expected to pay an artist for a simple illustration when this article has nothing to do with said illustration. Life isn't black and white, and you'd do yourself a favor by noticing the shades of gra…

They could just have no "featured image"? Quasi-irrelevant featured images where already bad before AI, AI-generated ones are just 10x worse.

Anyway, it is their piece, their website, so they choose how to structure it. I just don't like the plague of obligatory featured images everywhere in general. I can understand a featured image that adds something relevant, or even simply has some artistic value in itself. But both stock images and AI-generated ones add neither.

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