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Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by jmaker »

roamerz wrote: post #77
ibramGaunt wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My token usage on Claude models has dropped by 83% over the last month - I'm pretty much only using it for quick one off questions or reading papers. it feels impossible for me to get Opus models to stop entering into cyclic loops, and my work is too security adjacent for Fable. Codex has been an excellent workhorse - doesn't feel like I have to dance around the guardrails, doesn't lose _everything_ when it compacts,…

I have to agree with you there. I did some good work with Claude then Fable came out - impressed with that as well. Then they dropped access to it and upon returning was never the same - even the Opus models for some reason. Then one day I burned through my limit in about 10 minutes and had to get a project completed. I subscribed to Codex and it has been fantastic - finished my project and continued on to others. I…

I don’t get Claude, and that’s almost exactly what I did - I dropped to Claude Pro $20 + Codex Pro $100, and then unsubscribed from Claude and ramped up Codex. The Claude Pro is consumed within an hour on a simple task. I wish only Codex worked a bit faster than on the Fast mode.

I used to rely on Fable for research when it was first out, today it doesn’t seem to be much better than Opus, and it uses up the quota exceptionally fast - 1h Fable in a single short session, and there’s little left for Opus to hit the 5h limit in a second session. With Opus I get about 3-5h of relaxed use with a couple subagents to save the context, but there’s usually quite some disagreement between the subagents and orchestrator - Claude does some model routing with default agents and picks Haiku and Sonnet for subtasks - only later to disagree with them and redo the work - and burn extra tokens. With Claude, it’s really either Opus or Fable if you want some quality.

That said, their marketing is exceptionally effective. Virtually all nontech folks consider only Claude.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by jmaker »

king_crimson wrote: post #41
trjordan wrote: post #31

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Not mentioning Grok 4.6 here is a crime. Fast and accurate. And it can communicate, unlike the gobbledygook that comes out of Claude.

Been working a lot recently with Grok 4.6 for implementation and gpt 5.6 sol for review. Worked really good so far.

Why not the other way around?

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by esalman »

kev009 wrote: post #98
esalman wrote: post #95

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Let me give you an example of the money laundering operation. Due to USAID shutdown, Bangladesh went from ~$500M in US assistance to ~$71M, with bilateral health funding dropping ~97% in some analyses. Over 100 projects (~$550M) suspended overnight. 20k–50k development workers laid off (1,000+ at icddr,b, an award winning health research institution alone). TB programs (major USAID focus) largely halted. Bangladesh i…

Expecting an onslaught of cash as some permanent way of being, especially given the fickleness (and fragility) of any state let alone political regime is an incredibly daft move. I don't care if it's Europe or Israel or Bangladesh, all this is ultimately graft that comes back to bite the people taxed and sent to wars to enable it. You make an adjacent comment that insinuates the US economy is basically bunk, which me…

So it's a problem when a poverty striken nation expect aid to combat child mortality, but shelling out $150m on Juicero or $500m on Theranos is fine? Please try to answer without sounding like a psychopath.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by kev009 »

esalman wrote: post #104
kev009 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expecting an onslaught of cash as some permanent way of being, especially given the fickleness (and fragility) of any state let alone political regime is an incredibly daft move. I don't care if it's Europe or Israel or Bangladesh, all this is ultimately graft that comes back to bite the people taxed and sent to wars to enable it. You make an adjacent comment that insinuates the US economy is basically bunk, which me…

So it's a problem when a poverty striken nation expect aid to combat child mortality, but shelling out $150m on Juicero or $500m on Theranos is fine? Please try to answer without sounding like a psychopath.

Whatever point you are trying to make is not coming across, what even are these numbers and what do they have to do with citizenry of the United States? You also have a quantum view of the United States that it is and isn't impoverished, so it's supposed to liquidate to fund some other foreign entity that is not rate paying? I'm dizzy.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by prtmnth »

I cancelled my Claude subscription to give Codex a proper shot for a month. 1 week in, I'm more than happy. Sol is fast and capable. Luna as subagents for execution are very cheap usage wise (and API price wise too).

I think more than anything else, I don't get a headache conversing with Sol. That alone is enough reason for me to stick to Codex.

Experimenting with adding open source models to the mix to get more execution done while using Sol as the brain.

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by SipitenoMK »

guys, everything is about the harness, not the model! I even use Hy3 for free from nous portal, yes, it finishes the task in 50 minutes instead of 5, as Terra of codex would do, but I have it under the same harness (Hermes Agent) so result is more or less the same and it costed me nothing and worked at background while I was doing other things :)

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by rpunkfu »

SipitenoMK wrote: post #108

guys, everything is about the harness, not the model! I even use Hy3 for free from nous portal, yes, it finishes the task in 50 minutes instead of 5, as Terra of codex would do, but I have it under the same harness (Hermes Agent) so result is more or less the same and it costed me nothing and worked at background while I was doing other things :)

I believe that “it’s about the harness” captures an important idea, but I also think it’s helpful to consider the harness and the procedure separately.

The harness provides the model with its tools, context, and environment for execution.

However, I prefer not to have the model within that harness also bear the responsibility for remembering the process steps—like plan, implement, review, fix, and verify—deciding when to move from one to the next, and keeping track of the loop's state.

For tasks that need to be repeated, I’ve been moving that part into a reliable, deterministic runtime. Inside it, Claude, Codex etc simply take on interchangeable roles.

This setup makes changing models much simpler: the overall process remains consistent, and each role can be optimized independently.

I’ve been developing this approach as ctx.traits, if you're interested, here are the docs: https://ctx.company/traits/docs/quickstart/example/

Re: A week of using Codex more than Claude

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Post by bryanlarsen »

skeledrew wrote: post #88
bryanlarsen wrote: post #19

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Those massive comments generally refer to intermediate states that never shipped, making them utterly useless, noisy and confusing as a permanent artifact. They're sometimes useful to reviewers, so a commit message or pull request comment is much more appropriate.

> useless, noisy and confusing That's your perspective. For Claude that's an extension of its thinking, which makes it work better. Just like the person who takes notes so they have references for later. Take it away and you're negatively impacting outcomes.

No, it's the other way around. If you put a comment "don't do foo" in your code, you're biasing future readers, human or artificial, to think about foo when you explicitly want them not to.
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