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Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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I've been stuck in loop all week where a coworker asked me to review some methodology documents that are clearly generated by Claude (which is fine in this case) but every time I sit down my brain can't get through 2 sentences without feeling like I'm reading nothing. It actually feels like the content, which isn't empty, has no meaning. So I go on to another assignment and come back later and the same thing happens.…

I have basically polluted my context and agent files, agent.md, claude.md, gemini.md with really strong guidance about using plain language. I even include small, mini design specifications, examples of plain engineering language, only using technical language and invented terms when they actually make sense (almost never). EVERY TURN.

I have a pretty large set of prompts that go into any software engineering, and I force every single agent to use an ephemeral style stack of prompt management. So, every turn it goes to the top of the stack and it is the very last thing they see in terms of all of my prompts and instructions and agent files. And then it gets taken out of the conversation so that it doesn't get sent to the agent the next turn (no context bloat). It has restored so much sanity.

I tried the caveman add-ons, and I felt like I was losing IQ points because I spend a lot of time reading agent output, and when they start talking like cavemen, I start thinking like cavemen. That was not good for my mental health. So, I try and make the agent talk like me and think like me. And it works, mostly. And my observation is that maybe I'm not the most efficient agentic thought process, but my sanity is retained.

All of that is to say that if something is reading like that to you, just have the agent rewrite it and read it in a rewritten tone because it's probably bad as it stands and your colleague did not put enough effort in it. It is /not/ good and you should not accept it as a default. We have to hold the line on stuff like this and maintain some semblence of normal human engineering standards that existed before AI. They are not making us better. They are making is lazy and dumber.

Opus 5 and other agents in the latest rounds of tuning have gotten ridiculously bad in terms of how they feel to interact with with all the invented language and localized nomenclature. It is an obvious bias that big words and technical talk looks good to the bottom of the bell curve, but when you actually try and understand it, it's horrible. So people say, "Yeah, that looks great," in all the RLHF rounds, and they run with it because they think it looks good, but it doesn't. It's terrible.

Hold the line. It isn't you. And it isn't a good methodology document.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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It doesn't look like a quiche but more like a cake to me, and the top would be torched meringue, not mold. Although it's probably some weird ai mix of quiche and cake.

It was labeled as a quiche, I just cut the photo in an unfortunate way :-)

There's a similar "horror burrito" circulating on bluesky and my first thought was "now we know how to produce images for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_nuclear_waste_warnin... "

(Actually that was my second thought; my first was "just how much H.R. Giger is in the training data?")

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

#273

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Holy shit, someone putting it into words

I'm worried we will all be talking to our Claude Therapists soon about our Claude induced learning disabilities lol

This is actually funny because I've been doing some RAG experiments and I've basically trained up a RAG on several gigabytes of philosophy and neuroscience. And when I want to go metacognitive about thought processes, I actually really enjoy exploring different areas of philosophy, more life philosophy, but how it intersects with psychology and neuroscience and observing the observer, or the observer is the observed, as they say.

And when you ground it with real data, it's actually extremely useful. It's not exactly like Claude Therapist, but it's sort of the teach me about philosophy, but actually grounded and not vied. I have a lot of really strict prompts and grounding and agentic guidelines for this particular agent flow and harness that I've built.

And it's just a few weekends of vibing and feeding it basically all of Wikipedia and several gigabytes of papers and stuff, but it actually leads to interesting discussion. So I just have my personal philosophy bot and it's pretty fun.

One of the modalities I built is having two agents assume a famous persona. And then they take a thing, like grief or some thing that I experienced during the week, and they assume the role of the two different philosophers, and I just have them go back and forth 30, 40, 50 turns. And it's actually quite interesting, and it really moderates their language and tonality and behavior. They really get into the roles when you have the right prompting and grounding. Sometimes they get a little off the rails, but it leads to genuinely interesting areas to explore, and then I'll actually go read source material and things like that. I don't know, that's how I do therapy these days, but I never actually did therapy, so I just think a lot, now with agents finding interesting stuff to think about too!

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Yes, I've had both ChatGPT and Perplexity return English answers with Hindi words sprinkled in (for totally unrelated queries). For example, I asked ChatGPT to summarize a long news story and it substituted the Hindi equivalent हत्या for the word "murder", as if ChatGPT was trying to work around alignment training or keyword block lists that discourage it from using the word "murder".

Just the other day I was using text-to-speech with Gemini, and for some reason, it transcribed my full query in Hindi (in the middle of an English conversation), and naturally the LLM responded with Hindi as well. I don't know exactly what I said, but after translating it back, it appears to have attempted a phonetic transcription of my words (rather than translating my actual question).

I wonder if this is because of all those YouTube videos with the title, description, and language set to English and the content in (presumably) Hindi. I run across these a lot when looking up obscure topics.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

#275

I've been stuck in loop all week where a coworker asked me to review some methodology documents that are clearly generated by Claude (which is fine in this case) but every time I sit down my brain can't get through 2 sentences without feeling like I'm reading nothing. It actually feels like the content, which isn't empty, has no meaning. So I go on to another assignment and come back later and the same thing happens.…

I have basically polluted my context and agent files, agent.md, claude.md, gemini.md with really strong guidance about using plain language. I even include small, mini design specifications, examples of plain engineering language, only using technical language and invented terms when they actually make sense (almost never). EVERY TURN. I have a pretty large set of prompts that go into any software engineering, and I…

"nd then it gets taken out of the conversation so that it doesn't get sent to the agent the next turn (no context bloat). "

Uh - dude - this means you're paying 10x in token costs because there's no caching.

If you 're-write token history' then you can't cache tokens.

It means for any reasonably long conversation, the llm has to reprocess the entire history as preflow on every prompt.

Are you sure you're really doing what you say you're dong, and how is it not blowing up your budget?

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

#276

I've been stuck in loop all week where a coworker asked me to review some methodology documents that are clearly generated by Claude (which is fine in this case) but every time I sit down my brain can't get through 2 sentences without feeling like I'm reading nothing. It actually feels like the content, which isn't empty, has no meaning. So I go on to another assignment and come back later and the same thing happens.…

Check out the awesome [Claudish-to-English plugin](https://github.com/gvzdv/claudish-to-english), you could lift their prompt from https://github.com/gvzdv/claudish-to-english/blob/main/rewri...

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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I have basically polluted my context and agent files, agent.md, claude.md, gemini.md with really strong guidance about using plain language. I even include small, mini design specifications, examples of plain engineering language, only using technical language and invented terms when they actually make sense (almost never). EVERY TURN. I have a pretty large set of prompts that go into any software engineering, and I…

"nd then it gets taken out of the conversation so that it doesn't get sent to the agent the next turn (no context bloat). " Uh - dude - this means you're paying 10x in token costs because there's no caching. If you 're-write token history' then you can't cache tokens. It means for any reasonably long conversation, the llm has to reprocess the entire history as preflow on every prompt. Are you sure you're really doing…

Nope, you gotta understand. This is the move. It is appended at the end of every single message. It is never saved in the conversation that get sent back for inference. So you send it. But when you go back for inference, it’s at the top of the stack so all of the cashing works you’re not pre-filling every time or anything like that. It burns plus N tokens, where N is my prompt stack. It is not really that expensive. I have measured it to within an inch of it its life. Think of it this way every bit of the prefix and the conversation stays exactly the same you’re only adding to the very end of the conversation. So after the first turn, it is basically always cashing within the KV cache for a given context. Sorry I am using voice dictation. My hands are tired this week. Basically you sculpt the conversation history to ensure prefix caching

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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The google search bar is surprisingly smart sometimes. What's your definition of intelligence that completely excludes most of what a computer does?

Happily, I don't need to define "intelligence" here, because it's squarely in "I know it when I see it" territory. It's notoriously hard to define. I also don't ascribe intelligence to a pocket calculator.

Do you ascribe intelligence to a gorilla? How about a goldfish?

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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This looks interesting, but would you mind saying a sentence or two about why before I commit to an hour-long video? It looks like it shows how they work internally, which is sort of a non sequitur. Brains also work mechanistically. I'm claiming that any system which is able to do what AIs do must necessarily have some sort of intelligence.

fair reply to an hour video, Scott is just so good to hear his talk is better than I can explain it... go to 24 minutes and 07 seconds. it's statistically determining what the next word should be based on all the text it's been trained on. It's not intelligence and he shows what probability it puts on each word that it chooses, but also shows a lot of the other words it was thinking of using. In a later part he shows…

Ok, I want to thank you for finally giving us a concrete falsifiable statement that we can check. I pretended Marseille 40 times before asking Luna 5.6, and the answer was Paris.

So, even with concrete examples, model haters are still wrong.

You also imply the claim that making the distribution of words as the possible next one visible, somehow makes the whole system not intelligent. I would say the exact opposite is true.

By using the embedding vectors, models are aware of precise placement and relative position of words in this hugely dimensional space. No human is capable of such precision. This enables party tricks of "king plus woman minus man" kind. But this also give us a precise point between any two words, no matter how different. What is on the midpoint between volcano and music, for example. No human can precisely answer that, but an embedding can. And we can see which words are closest to this 700 dimensional point.

You see this menu of words as a weakness, and I say it is in fact a sign of super intelligence. And this is all before any reasoning or attention mechanism is even run.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

#280
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There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

The "something deeply wrong" part about AI, that even most technology enthusiasts evidently do not seem to grasp, is that it is still fundamentally a statistical model — an algorithmic construct — and does not possess any real intelligence or critical thought whatsoever. No matter how much investors and tech companies want you to believe that they are on the verge of super intelligence, nothing I've seen to date can…

Most of these arguments are over some metaphysical definition of the word “intelligence”.

As per later era Wittgenstein, I prefer to ignore these engagements and focus more on the meaning-as-use approach.

What is the use of intelligence? What are the concrete outcomes of intelligence?

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