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Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by mattbruv »

davidgh wrote: post #43

My son is currently learning Romanian and I was trying to help him with verbs. I don’t know Romanian but recalled when learning a foreign language for the first time it really helped me to break down how a verb form or tense worked in English, then learn the equivalent in the new language. So I wanted to make some charts and pages that he could use as learning resources. I used Claude to help. I don’t know how to qui…

> I wish there was a name for this situation. It’s almost like a pseudo-language where it has the correct form and presentation but is missing critical components.

Bullshit?

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by bayindirh »

never_inline wrote: post #77
SoftTalker wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have much exposure to pre-AI corporate memos, mission statements, marketing plans, or white papers? Because they were mostly written in that style. Full of buzzwords, cliche similes, platitudes, jargon and stock phrases.

AI tries to make the prose "interesting". I don't want to read interesting prose. I want to read interesting ideas.

The prose is not only interesting, also glorious. Gloriously grandiose, monumentally empty at the same time.

It's like a hook of a pop song. Interesting to listen, but entirely empty.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by bayindirh »

figers wrote: post #78
pyridines wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just can't accept that it possesses no intelligence. It is not equivalent to human intelligence, obviously, but how can a system without some semblance of rational thinking solve open math problems? Even composing earlier human work into something novel requires intelligence and understanding on some level.

watch this and see if you think it has intelligence by the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYUicaho5k8

I also like this: https://laurentiugabriel.github.io/token-town/

It shows internals of an LLM nicely, simplified manner.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by PaulHoule »

TalkingCodeMonk wrote: post #59
causal wrote: post #30

There's some psychological mechanism by which my brain immediately recognizes AI generated text and just short-circuits to "there is no information here". And when I force myself to read AI-generated text I realize I'm making my brain do creative work to impart meaning to the words. It is exhausting because my brain is literally trying to do a just-in-time rewrite of the text into something valuable. Something is dee…

The "something deeply wrong" part about AI, that even most technology enthusiasts evidently do not seem to grasp, is that it is still fundamentally a statistical model — an algorithmic construct — and does not possess any real intelligence or critical thought whatsoever. No matter how much investors and tech companies want you to believe that they are on the verge of super intelligence, nothing I've seen to date can…

Some of it the effect of tells. “It’s not X, it’s Y” is not a bad pattern but it was baked into the instruction following training set just like the other patterns. I catch myself about to use it and use something else because I want to look human. I have, a few times, tried to use AI to write something that I was struggling to find the words and I just didn’t like how it didn’t seem like my voice. If there was just one person doing it would be OK but when it is 100s of blog posts submitted to HN a day it is like wearing a “I’m an NPC” t-shirt.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by yipinwong »

I've been a big reader, and many AI outputs nowadays reads polished similar to published books.

The reason I brought it up is because, people who learn English normaly start with a book. It's heavily polished.

When you speak English as you learned from the books, it does not sound very conversational.

If you are native/fluent English speaker, you can feel the impedance mismatch and feel something's off.

The AI-blindness stems from the fact that those polished edits are so common in publishing field, they all sound the same, and unable to recognize the diffs between AI-generated and human-generated.

There is no real human conversational vibe to them and well. i will stop now.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by tingletech »

In high school, a teacher gave me a copy of "How To Read Better And Faster" which teaches you speed reading. This came in very handy in college.

I find that when I try to speed read modern human writing, there are often errors (like missing or misused words) or awkward expressions that I do have to slow down and think harder a lot to really parse it.

With AI writing, it's sort of self redundant and the information density of each sentence seems to have more even information density. This makes it very easy to do a very high level speed read and get the full gist.

There are also what I'm assuming are bots on hugging face (or maybe non-native english speakers who are using ai for translation) that interact with me where I have no idea what they are saying until I read it very slowly.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by pyridines »

figers wrote: post #78
pyridines wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just can't accept that it possesses no intelligence. It is not equivalent to human intelligence, obviously, but how can a system without some semblance of rational thinking solve open math problems? Even composing earlier human work into something novel requires intelligence and understanding on some level.

watch this and see if you think it has intelligence by the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYUicaho5k8

This looks interesting, but would you mind saying a sentence or two about why before I commit to an hour-long video? It looks like it shows how they work internally, which is sort of a non sequitur. Brains also work mechanistically. I'm claiming that any system which is able to do what AIs do must necessarily have some sort of intelligence.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by legobmw99 »

saghm wrote: post #39
legobmw99 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I partially think the difference is “can you tell something is the output of Claude without any real prompting”. People can absolutely use LLMs to generate text that I wouldn’t recognize, but people who don’t care and are producing slop with the major models set to default settings leave these incredibly obvious signatures behind

Although you're referring to prompts given the Claude rather than the people attempting to recognize, it occurs to me that most of the discussion I've seen around people recognizing AI seems cover contexts where the reader is actively suspicious about whether content generated to begin with. Rather than a binary "is this text AI generated or not", I wonder if it would be harder for people to do a Coke/Pepsi style cha…

I suspect both may be interesting to study more!

Several existing studies I’ve seen have done things like prompt the LLM to produce a poem in a certain poets style, then ask people to spot the fake in a collection of poems, which they aren’t great at. This is, I would argue, an extremely different context than what most of us are encountering AI text in, and the people sending me text aren’t prompting it stylistically like that.

On your second question, I definitely feel like I can tell the first time a coworker sends me AI text masquerading as their own thoughts, even if they had previously been opposed to such a thing. So it could be that familiarity is more important than my prior on whether they’d use AI? But interesting to think about either way

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by pyridines »

bayindirh wrote: post #80
pyridines wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just can't accept that it possesses no intelligence. It is not equivalent to human intelligence, obviously, but how can a system without some semblance of rational thinking solve open math problems? Even composing earlier human work into something novel requires intelligence and understanding on some level.

It's just filled to the brim with relations between things. It's good at searching a very large meaning space and create correlations. What it does is to cover great distances and find related things in that large space which needs a long time and large corpus of knowledge to find the connection. This is not intelligence. It's just a good correlation engine with a very big albeit lossy database of things.

The very fact that it is able to search within a meaning-space demonstrates that it understands semantics, to some extent. Philosophically, that is profound, for something that is just one big matrix multiplication. Drawing connections between things in meaning-space is surely a facet of intelligence.

Re: I'm becoming AI-blind

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Post by danggggg »

taude wrote: post #24
blakesterz wrote: post #4

"There's an ongoing discussion of whether humans are good at recognizing AI-generated text. While most research claims that humans don't really do a good job there, I disagree. " I wonder if humans that spend all day working in tech are good at recognizing AI-generated text, but people who spend all day doing jobs that don't involve computers aren't as good. And I wonder if those of us in tech are the only ones who r…

I think it's more about the mean. Worse writers, and thinkers are likely elevated by AI, and more impressed with the writing output. Decent writers and thinkers, are dragged back to the LLM-s mean of output.

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