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Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by distances »

stronglikedan wrote: post #128
tempest_ wrote: post #3

I've been enjoying Kagi for the last couple years. Even as LLMs slurp up most of the internet and replace search I think Kagi is still useful. Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account and the ability to filter out stuff like that is useful.

> Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account I don't understand why this is a barrier considering their accounts aren't invasive at all since you can use a temporary email account to sign up, and then you never have to do anything via email after that.

I'm annoyed mostly because I always surf with private browsing, so I always have to log in again and again. And for some reason I haven't bothered checking, Firefox doesn't save the username field.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by vogelbirb »

sippeangelo wrote: post #296
delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #59

I think this is amazing. Love Kagi. I’m happy to pay for a good search. Nobody speaks about their AI Assistant, but it is really good. They somehow harnessed it so that it mainly searches info first and sticks to the verifiable data. I prefer it to Claude or any other, because it actually answers the question I need without fluff or “Great question! Here’s some plausible nonsense you can trip over instead of doing ac…

I was subscribed to Kagi for a while but cancelled because there was no subscription for JUST search that didn't include their inferior AI assistant. Why am I paying for it?

If you compare the Professional plan (unlimited searches), to the API, you could justify that the extra AI cost is negligable if you are heavy user. The API costs $12 per 1000 searches, so 1.2¢ per individual search. 10/0.0012≈833.33. At 834 searches or more you would not be paying for the AI features. Obviously, this is only a comparison to the API, which might not have all special Kagi features.

But if you're using the starter plan, which is 300 searches for $5, then you definitely do pay for the assistant. The API cost would be $3.60.

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adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #271
frereubu wrote: post #96

The one thing I find slightly grating about links to Kagi blogs is the top comments are almost always "I use Kagi and it's great!" rather than about the content of the blog. And I'm a happy Kagi subscriber! I get that this is an option, but what it really shows to me is how broken the model for journalism is. In my view you almost always only get good-quality journalism if you pay for it. (Somehow - e.g. the BBC is p…

The foregone conclusion is that journalism is somehow helpful or valuable to me. I have never read a piece of journalism or "news" and thought to myself, "Wow, how useful! I'm so glad I consumed that." And I sat here struggling for 5 minutes to think of a single instance. I couldn't come up with one. So maybe the underlying problem is that journalism isn't nearly as valuable as it thinks it should be.

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Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by bee_rider »

eightysixfour wrote: post #160
bee_rider wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somebody’s got to be paid to write the basic news articles. Maybe we could have a government funded “basic news” (although there are obvious concerns that that might turn into a propaganda service).

We could call it the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and it could directly fund local news stations. It could be a hybrid public/non-profit where the government funds some, members stations fund some, and donations fund the rest. Member stations could be responsible for more local content and be a part of a network that syndicates content from other stations. It could cover more than just news though - children's…

> Edit: Sorry, didn’t mean this to be as sarcastic towards you OP, more annoyed we defunded it last year.

That’s ok I was already doing the whole “obliquely reference things that already exist in the abstract as if they were a novel idea” bit; you doubling down on it kind of makes it better.

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Post by StilesCrisis »

tensor wrote: post #164
delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #59

I think this is amazing. Love Kagi. I’m happy to pay for a good search. Nobody speaks about their AI Assistant, but it is really good. They somehow harnessed it so that it mainly searches info first and sticks to the verifiable data. I prefer it to Claude or any other, because it actually answers the question I need without fluff or “Great question! Here’s some plausible nonsense you can trip over instead of doing ac…

It truly is a game changer. I often use it before the regular search now. And no joke, it doesn't just save time, I've had it find things that I actually couldn't doing manual search. The reason is because it often knows when there are alternative names for the same sort of product and so can find things that are rebranded or the like. I agree with you that I'd love to know more about how it works. The citations to r…

"Able to find things that regular search cannot" is pretty much the value-add for AI in Google as well. The blue links are becoming less and less helpful.

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Post by StilesCrisis »

II2II wrote: post #207
LarryDarrell wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a subscriber to Kagi for a few years and just started using the AI assistant. On the one hand, it's made me a believer in AI as it relates to web searching. On the other hand, the only reason I need AI to search the web is that the web is now a impenetrable forest of near unreadable, SEO-stuffed, spammy articles.

> On the other hand, the only reason I need AI to search the web is that the web is now a impenetrable forest of near unreadable, SEO-stuffed, spammy articles. Unfortunately, that is nothing new. A big part of the reason why Google gained popularity, and maintained it for so long, was its resistance to SEO stuffed, spammy articles. The spammers continued escalating things, and now it pretty much takes AI to avoid the…

I'm not sure AI fully dodges it either. I've asked questions like "best [cuisine] in [place]" and the AI answers with a truly mediocre restaurant that has an amazing website.

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Post by Terr_ »

a_e_k wrote: post #295
tempest_ wrote: post #3

I've been enjoying Kagi for the last couple years. Even as LLMs slurp up most of the internet and replace search I think Kagi is still useful. Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account and the ability to filter out stuff like that is useful.

NEW Reddit has recently started blocking logged-out access too. Stupid modal popup with "Join the most real place on the internet" (yeah, right) banner that appears after about 20 seconds. I'm not logging in to my private account from a work machine that's MITMd for "security", just to browse search results or take a short break! (I've been a user for nearly 21 years, but using it less and less with each stupid choic…

> NEW Reddit has recently started blocking logged-out access too.

That'd be an important milestone in enshittification when it comes to other entities that were previously happy to outsource their fan-forums, support, announcement systems, etc. And I do mean "enshittification" in a formal quasi-academic sense, because it's not just about things getting worse, but about the middleman starting to exploit people on either end. Adding a login-wall means that content and communities built up with a kinder kind of collaboration will become hostages, to boost Reddit Corporation's user-stats and creepy data harvesting for investors.

Kind of like how various groups started using Twitter as a way to provide a scalable stream of announcements--sometimes time-critical ones--to an audience. The entire use-case goes down the toilet when users aren't being shown your stuff in chronological order anymore.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by simsla »

The thing that bothers me about most paywalls is that they want you to take a subscription to remove it. I've got more than enough subscriptions in my life.

Why does no one use the Google Pay or Apple Pay integration for single articles? Have me pay a buck for an article, and I'd happily do so.

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Post by reaperducer »

simsla wrote: post #308

The thing that bothers me about most paywalls is that they want you to take a subscription to remove it. I've got more than enough subscriptions in my life. Why does no one use the Google Pay or Apple Pay integration for single articles? Have me pay a buck for an article, and I'd happily do so.

Why does no one use the Google Pay or Apple Pay integration for single articles? Have me pay a buck for an article, and I'd happily do so.

If you pay $15/month to Apple News, you get tens of thousands of articles a month for less than a penny each.

Or you can see what app your local public library is hooked up with. Mine gives free access to several hundred newspapers and magazines from around the world.

The app isn't great, but the price is right.

Still, most people who moan on HN don't want to bother with the minor inconvenience of getting a library card. It's much easier to complain in public and click an archive link.

If they actually put their money where their mouths are, they wouldn't be able to satisfy their fake righteous indignity and draw attention to themselves.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by Cider9986 »

Barbing wrote: post #245
Cider9986 wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually a very similar UI to Google at least, in a good way if Google was ever good. The results are quite good except images I like the results more then DDG or Startpage.

Google’s still king vs. DDG (Bing-ish), Startpage, & Kagi. By a longshot. How’s Brave Images?

Terrible image results. I prefer Brave's website results to Google though.
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