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Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Everybody is complaining about this, at this point I’m sure they will deliver a tone of voice change in the 5.1 releases. Possibly with a new set of problems though, especially if this is part of an effort to obscure thinking to reduce distillation efficacy. In that case I believe Anthropic is doing damage to themselves. Caring about the quality of your product is the best strategy, the competition will come no matte…

How does it help prevent distillation?

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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post #45
post #15

https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2090245922685063634 Haven't tried, because I have just been using 4.6 since 5 was released.

The "Concise" "setting" is just an .md file which is basically "use this style please". Claude will eventually ignore it just as any other style like "Technical".

https://x.com/_can1357/status/2090360068529111530

Should be pretty difficult to ignore

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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Or just use a competitor instead of being a slave to this abuse? Why are people so wedded to Anthropic?

I have grown tired of Codex/GPT's writing style, too, but it's not nearly as bad. It's terse and factual by default. Even better if you use the "simple english" skill.

I actually found that GLM 5.x is the best in terms of editing documentation. It's still best to write things by hand to give your own organic voice, though. And not insult your readers.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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post #39

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Claude will end the conversation if you berate it when it screws something up.

Why berate an LLM? That doesn't sound healthy. Sure, it's a machine, but it's simulating a social interaction - being a jerk to it could bleed over into interactions with real people. Also, Westworld? These violent delights have violent ends ? Perhaps there's a tinge of Pascal's wager to it, but I prefer to be courteous to the rapidly improving synthetic intelligences.

For the same reason you berate a person or hit a wall. And yes, it's a machine, even more reasons why it should just take the berating and not throw a hissy fit.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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post #21

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The problem is, when the context window grows, Claude tends to forget these kinds of rules. It will then do whatever it wants. I had to outright ban comments in the global claude.md, the local claude.md AND write a hook to catch any that still slipped through.

> The problem is, when the context window grows, You know the problem; then why not address it? Does Compacting the context not help?

Compaction is a main cause of this problem.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

#57

I've started giving these instructions and I think I've been much more successful in generating clear output: Comment blocks are Limiting the number of words is the strongest factor in cleaning up the output, IMO. For older code I've instructed it to delete all the comments, and then I re-comment it using a new session and these guidelines, asking it to rejustify the need for every comment to itself.

Yep. Same here. I frequently tell agents things like "answer using only a single sentence" and "write no more than 10 words". They are excellent at writing code, so have them write code (and not English prose). Besides, most of the time we want them to make reusable software that doesn't require users (or future agents) to read too much text. Software should generally just work and do the obvious thing, without needing verbose explanation.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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post #26

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I think it would happen with any persona that Anthropic chose. I enjoyed the bouncy, optimistic style at first. I've since grown to hate it.

how do they infuse this personality? do they train the human feedback providers with a certain personality?

If we assume the personalities come from human feedback, it would have to be some unholy amalgamation of those feedback providers right?

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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post #47
post #38

Everybody is complaining about this, at this point I’m sure they will deliver a tone of voice change in the 5.1 releases. Possibly with a new set of problems though, especially if this is part of an effort to obscure thinking to reduce distillation efficacy. In that case I believe Anthropic is doing damage to themselves. Caring about the quality of your product is the best strategy, the competition will come no matte…

Simply untrue. You think everyone is complaining about this because the ones complaining are the only people commenting. The vast majority of people using Claude don't really care or even notice this one way or another. Sure among those who are irritated by it, it's good to have some ways to mitigate it, but I highly doubt Anthropic is going to devote much resources to an issue that affects a vocal minority.

Over the last 6 months Claude's written material has gone from mediocre to unacceptable. The specific actual content and insights are somewhat better, but the claudisms are increasingly insufferable.

Re: Claudette: Make Claude stop talking like a BuzzFeed article

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is, when the context window grows, Claude tends to forget these kinds of rules. It will then do whatever it wants. I had to outright ban comments in the global claude.md, the local claude.md AND write a hook to catch any that still slipped through.

I think people really need to focus more on working with limited contexts rather than trying to work around it. I really try to keep my sessions as short as possible and it helps a ton with keeping Claude (et al) focused. Specifically, I like the "canary" trick that people have discussed where you add a small, innocuous rule to your CLAUDE.md like "When responding to me, start every sentence with my name." so that wh…

This or you just repeat the initial prompt every 200k tokens
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