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Accessibility isn't optional, so what do you propose?
I propose using the internet the way it was designed: Open and readable by everything (including bots). Scraping is a legal issue. There is no technical prevention mechanism that isn't theater.
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Well, as a user of LLMs I also find it annoying, the agents gather information on my behalf, they save me time and money. Are we splitting humanity? Those with info accessible to agents and those who only use their human sense directly? This whole distinction is futile imho. And no, I'm not Sam Altman. I mean training is one thing, you should honor people's licenses, but browsing and gathering information? Why force…
Honestly, I'll take it a step further: what's wrong with training? Having principles means applying them uniformly -- even to large entities or those you hate (it's fine if the principles themselves have size bounds in them, though -- versus them being implicitly glued on -- but then you need a universal justification for why that size. Which is possible and valid.) I think that one should use the best algorithms, th…
We have definitions of plagiarism and copyright infringement that apply to people based on what they put out into the world, not how they trained themselves to get there[0]. Artists literally trace art and study specific examples in detail to learn, and that's not a bad thing. Humans can also accidentally plagiarize or make things identical to past works - it's easy to think a great guitar riff just came to you when it was really based on a song you heard years ago that stuck in a part of your mind but you don't even consciously remember the influence, for example.
It would certainly be nice for AI output to provide citations if it realizes it's using a significant chunk of an idea from its training that has a clear source (or many), though this is difficult in the same way it would be difficult for me to cite where I learned about the Towers of Hanoi. The AI frequently does web searches for specific resources to get ideas from these days, which are easy for it to cite.
However, it would have a chilling effect on progress as a whole if we all started jealously guarding our ideas so close to our chest that machines couldn't read them and only a select few humans who passed some kind of gate (or even paid us) were allowed to see them. We would be nowhere close to where we are if we had always had such a mindset.
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[0] We use proven absence of viewing certain material as a legal shield against copyright infringement e.g. clean room engineering, but this isn't strictly necessary, and possibly even discouraged with modern precedent: https://reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21740
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Qualitative assessment etc not just metrics. How do you propose to asses “overall benefit to humanity” with metrics?
Qualitative metrics are also metrics. You have to have a spectrum in order to weigh things against each other qualitatively, even if the spectrum is just a 2-point binary.
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Why not both? Better that than putting all eggs in one basket.
Because the effect of the technological measures is an arms race; presumably, universally so. It's a net negative. The article captures the principle in a nutshell.
It's not that simple. What you say may be true, but the reason arms races happen is the alternative is surrender and domination of you or your people. You can't unilaterally choose to not participate without accepting those consequences.
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Qualitative metrics are also metrics. You have to have a spectrum in order to weigh things against each other qualitatively, even if the spectrum is just a 2-point binary.
Qualitative assessment and qualitative metrics are different things.
> The public posts and discussions being had about this subject are already informing AI companies on how to train their multimodal models to get around these obfuscations, most of which have already been broken. I'd argue every new font and tech demo is effectively a benchmark, daring AI firms come up with solutions to sidestep them. And they will be sidestepped, one way or another. If a human can see the informatio…
> I agree this stuff isn't encryption, which means it'll always be possible to circumvent the obfuscation, but it could raise the cost. Hopefully that can be done to the point where it's just not worth the bother. Did it work for non-cryptographic DRM? (Broadcast flag, Macrovision, deliberately miswritten floppy sectors, port dongles, physical manual challenge-response...)
Yes?
Did those measures stop piracy completely? No. Did they raise the cost of piracy so there was less of it? Probably.
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If the comment baited you, maybe it's because you're holding onto a popular but nonsensical belief system, and you're experiencing painful cognitive dissonance.
Are you intentionally being rude, or is this just how HN raised you to think?
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Qualitative assessment and qualitative metrics are different things.
Qualitative assessment is the overall process of using qualitative metrics to evaluate something.
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Qualitative assessment and qualitative metrics are different things.
Qualitative assessment is the overall process of using qualitative metrics to evaluate something.
This matters due to the difference between a hypothetical perfect analysis covering every possibility and one than can actually take place in the real world.
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Are you hopelessly naive or are you just Sam Altman ?
Well, as a user of LLMs I also find it annoying, the agents gather information on my behalf, they save me time and money. Are we splitting humanity? Those with info accessible to agents and those who only use their human sense directly? This whole distinction is futile imho. And no, I'm not Sam Altman. I mean training is one thing, you should honor people's licenses, but browsing and gathering information? Why force…
The companies themselves know they depend on this knowledge but have no plan to fund or replace the work done on sites like Wikipedia, stack overflow, or blogs like acoup.blog