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Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by hootz »

bee_rider wrote: post #63
hootz wrote: post #27

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Paywalling all content sucks, it just makes me leave the website. I pay for a news website from my country that gives me extra cool stuff like opinion articles and cultural highlights from my city, not because they paywall the basic news.

Somebody’s got to be paid to write the basic news articles. Maybe we could have a government funded “basic news” (although there are obvious concerns that that might turn into a propaganda service).

They do get paid, they are employees and get a salary. I pay for the premium plan and that funds the company.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by rafram »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #33
azan_ wrote: post #20

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Is asking for money for your work begging? That's interesting take.

You're right, but I'd personally be okay with the paywalled article search results not showing up, since they are ads masquerading as usable search results. If the publisher wants me to subscribe (and many do publish content worth paying for), they can reach me via normal means, versus corrupting my search results.

By this logic, listings for physical products shouldn't show in search results either, because they're just ads for something you have to pay for.

You aren't entitled to others' work for free, and sometimes the most relevant result for your search is something paid.

This is a particularly tone-deaf line of reasoning on Hacker News, IMO, because the tech industry is (a) so, so much better paid than journalism, for work that is easier, and (b) largely responsible for the death of journalism as a sustainable business.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by taintify »

entrox wrote: post #100
taintify wrote: post #82

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Because it lets me hide the trash that is commercialized internet. I choose what service I pay for, e.g. Kagi, everything else should just vanish from my point of view and stop polluting my eye space. That's why this is a good feature.

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Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by msdz »

mcny wrote: post #44
msdz wrote: post #13

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What do you feel is missing for a free news offering? I don’t personally like it all that much, because it feels like it’s missing the depth I like in well-written reporting, but for those who just want a quick overview of topics once a day, it seems to work pretty well, no?

There are some defects like what does this mean? > dir="auto" rather than inheriting the story's direction: quotes are reproduced verbatim, so a Hebrew story routinely carries an English one. Inheriting rtl left its closing punctuation stranded at the start of the line (KNEWS-453). --> https://news.kagi.com/s/3gskhn

Okay, strange, but that’s a bug, not a web app “feeling barebones” wrt. core functionality for most users, at least IMO.

Has that been reported on kagifeedback.org yet?

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by delis-thumbs-7e »

delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #59

I think this is amazing. Love Kagi. I’m happy to pay for a good search. Nobody speaks about their AI Assistant, but it is really good. They somehow harnessed it so that it mainly searches info first and sticks to the verifiable data. I prefer it to Claude or any other, because it actually answers the question I need without fluff or “Great question! Here’s some plausible nonsense you can trip over instead of doing ac…

For those wanting to try Kagi does not just have ai search help, but full chat app: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html

You can get it on at least iOS as well as its own app. You can select from bunch of China-models, I use Kim pretty much always. You can also do a system prompt and bunch of the same stuff you can with Claude etc. But it lies to me hardly ever. I don’t know how they did that.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by Dayshine »

Cider9986 wrote: post #65
robin_reala wrote: post #46

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Depends on how private you want to be, but you can pay Kagi with Bitcoin[1] and use that to buy privacy pass tokens and access it through Tor.[2] It’s not complete privacy, but it decouples the account from the searches. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/payment-methods.html [2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/tor.html

Yeah they should use privacy pass for the default accounts as well to decouple payment from account.

Absolutely not. I don't feel it's necessary to pay the sacrifices needed for a trustless society.

I would much rather be able to have things like personalised searches (which are identifying).

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by clickety_clack »

I wish Kagi had existed years ago. I just saw someone talking about the Google SEO-laden experience when troubleshooting coding errors and realized it’s a pain I haven’t felt in a long time. It’s telling that Google never made a “remove this site from results” option. Their incentives weren’t set up to provide the best user experience.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by CoffeeOnWrite »

delis-thumbs-7e wrote: post #59

I think this is amazing. Love Kagi. I’m happy to pay for a good search. Nobody speaks about their AI Assistant, but it is really good. They somehow harnessed it so that it mainly searches info first and sticks to the verifiable data. I prefer it to Claude or any other, because it actually answers the question I need without fluff or “Great question! Here’s some plausible nonsense you can trip over instead of doing ac…

My household is hooked on the AI Assistant. It’s heartwarming to be able to buy consumer software that just works.

If only Kagi had a Shopping feature, then it would be a complete solution for us.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

SamBam wrote: post #5

Hmmm, so if you are looking for some news item, you'll only find AI-written clickbait articles covered in pop-up ads, rather than any news sites that employ journalists?

The small handful of news sites I willingly subscribe to are in my RSS reader (where stories are even more de-junked than is possible in a browser), so paywalled sites showing up in search adds no value.

If a news site wants to join the ranks of my RSS feeds they need to be of high enough quality that their reputation does more work than paywalled search results do.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

rafram wrote: post #112
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, but I'd personally be okay with the paywalled article search results not showing up, since they are ads masquerading as usable search results. If the publisher wants me to subscribe (and many do publish content worth paying for), they can reach me via normal means, versus corrupting my search results.

By this logic, listings for physical products shouldn't show in search results either, because they're just ads for something you have to pay for. You aren't entitled to others' work for free, and sometimes the most relevant result for your search is something paid. This is a particularly tone-deaf line of reasoning on Hacker News, IMO, because the tech industry is (a) so, so much better paid than journalism, for wor…

Physical products are different because potential buyers are afforded a bevy of free, easily accessible ways to evaluate the product prior to purchase.

I have no way to throughly evaluate the quality of a blog that cuts off everything but the first sixth of its posts or a news site that stonewalls me after viewing an article or two.

I subscribe to multiple news sites and programming blogs and none of them resort to such tactics.

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