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Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by john_strinlai »

rvz wrote: post #83
OroPla wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't journalism go out of business decades ago and now not even pretends to be journalism anymore? I feel it has gotten so bad that most younger people alive today do not even realize what journalism is supposed to be: only report the facts, never add your own opinion to the facts, if there is more than one side, ask each side and report what each side has to say without omitting or adding anything. These are just…

> Didn't journalism go out of business decades ago and now not even pretends to be journalism anymore? So Daily Mail, Bloomberg, CNBC, BBC, CNN, ABC News, New York Times, FOX and many others all went out of business decades ago? That is breaking news to me.

the parent's argument is that those companies don't really do journalism anymore, not the the companies themselves went out of business. they are more like entertainment networks.

and, for at least some of the ones you listed, i would have to agree that the bar for what they call "journalism" is not very high, and the concept of journalistic integrity appears to be a pretty low priority.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by contagiousflow »

Cider9986 wrote: post #19

I would pay for Brave or Kagi for like $2-3 per month if one of them supported private payments(actually that's exactly what Brave costs). Paying should get you more privacy not less. I'm not paying for Kagi because it's expensive and also doesn't support private payments and Brave has better UI for me. Brave blocks their own ads while not supporting private payments and it doesn't let you use the search premium in V…

Do you use Google instead?

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by john_strinlai »

no-name-here wrote: post #99
john_strinlai wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When will this be available into HN, too ? hn already disallows paywalled links, unless there is an easy/low-effort bypass (noscript, archive link, gift link, etc.).

I don't see it offhand in the newsguidelines page nor the submit page? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/submit Edit: It's in the newsfaq page https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html per the replies

it's in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Are paywalls ok?

It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds.

in other words, its not ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that do not have workarounds.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

#105

Post by tempest_ »

frereubu wrote: post #96

The one thing I find slightly grating about links to Kagi blogs is the top comments are almost always "I use Kagi and it's great!" rather than about the content of the blog. And I'm a happy Kagi subscriber! I get that this is an option, but what it really shows to me is how broken the model for journalism is. In my view you almost always only get good-quality journalism if you pay for it. (Somehow - e.g. the BBC is p…

You mainly get this because honestly I was already happy with the existing product. The main focus of this post is not something I was really looking for and is a nice addition but I would still be using the existing product regardless.

Basically I just want search that I can actually filter are returns relevant useful results.. This adds an extra facet that I might filter on from time to time but the main ones, which are time and exact strings, are the reason I use the product.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by the__alchemist »

demibabs wrote: post #16
SamBam wrote: post #5

Hmmm, so if you are looking for some news item, you'll only find AI-written clickbait articles covered in pop-up ads, rather than any news sites that employ journalists?

Yeah, I don’t get it. Do people want actual journalism to go out of business?

They have made a bed to lie in. Kagi is worth paying for; the vast majority of news sides are targeted at people who don't think critically, and serve a narrow-scope of corporate narratives.

I love high-quality journalism (Mainstream sources of the past; a few current gems like Quanta and PBS; you can find other exceptions). I have explicitly bumped the priority of the high-quality sources in search, and blocked or subdued some of the low quality ones which come up frequently.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by ymolodtsov »

frereubu wrote: post #96

The one thing I find slightly grating about links to Kagi blogs is the top comments are almost always "I use Kagi and it's great!" rather than about the content of the blog. And I'm a happy Kagi subscriber! I get that this is an option, but what it really shows to me is how broken the model for journalism is. In my view you almost always only get good-quality journalism if you pay for it. (Somehow - e.g. the BBC is p…

The problem with micropayments isn't the tech really, it's that only the users want them but not any publisher. Which is completely reasonable.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by no-name-here »

ohyoutravel wrote: post #93
no-name-here wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the idea that you strongly prefer seeing ads instead of paywalls?

I prefer ads because pihole blocks them. Paywalls block me, and then I have to reload and ninja enter reader mode, or if I’m reading inclined, find an archive link.

Wait, then how do you expect the journalists, sysadmins, server bills, etc. to get paid without paywalls and ads?

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by croemer »

no-name-here wrote: post #99
john_strinlai wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When will this be available into HN, too ? hn already disallows paywalled links, unless there is an easy/low-effort bypass (noscript, archive link, gift link, etc.).

I don't see it offhand in the newsguidelines page nor the submit page? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/submit Edit: It's in the newsfaq page https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html per the replies

Yes here in FAQs:

Are paywalls ok?

It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds.

In comments, it's ok to ask how to read an article and to help other users do so. But please don't post complaints about paywalls. Those are off topic. More here

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

#110

Post by ymolodtsov »

Cider9986 wrote: post #19

I would pay for Brave or Kagi for like $2-3 per month if one of them supported private payments(actually that's exactly what Brave costs). Paying should get you more privacy not less. I'm not paying for Kagi because it's expensive and also doesn't support private payments and Brave has better UI for me. Brave blocks their own ads while not supporting private payments and it doesn't let you use the search premium in V…

Do you imply that you never order anything online?
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