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Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #33
azan_ wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is asking for money for your work begging? That's interesting take.

You're right, but I'd personally be okay with the paywalled article search results not showing up, since they are ads masquerading as usable search results. If the publisher wants me to subscribe (and many do publish content worth paying for), they can reach me via normal means, versus corrupting my search results.

Right. I don’t mind paying when the value is clear and I feel like my time has been respected, and paywalled link showing up in search violates the second of those two.

In most of the circumstances when those show up in my search I’m looking for information for immediate use and I am not going whip out a credit card. If I run into a paywall, I’m immediately hitting the back button and moving on to the next result, so it’s better if they just never show up in search at all.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by roblh »

tempest_ wrote: post #3

I've been enjoying Kagi for the last couple years. Even as LLMs slurp up most of the internet and replace search I think Kagi is still useful. Reddit has recently blocked access to old reddit without an account and the ability to filter out stuff like that is useful.

Me too. The longer I use it, the more I like it. Initially I found myself going back to google fairly often, but unless I'm specifically trying to find a product for sale in my region, Kagi is almost always better now. Maybe Kagi got better, or google got worse, or probably both.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by ohyoutravel »

no-name-here wrote: post #81
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, but I'd personally be okay with the paywalled article search results not showing up, since they are ads masquerading as usable search results. If the publisher wants me to subscribe (and many do publish content worth paying for), they can reach me via normal means, versus corrupting my search results.

Is the idea that you strongly prefer seeing ads instead of paywalls?

I prefer ads because pihole blocks them. Paywalls block me, and then I have to reload and ninja enter reader mode, or if I’m reading inclined, find an archive link.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by tempest_ »

watutalkinbout wrote: post #51
tempest_ wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe for you. I get a nice > Log in to use old Reddit > To keep Reddit safe, accounts are required to access old Reddit. Log in, or continue without an account on reddit.com.

You in the UK?

No, but I am not in the US

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by gonzalohm »

bradyd wrote: post #35
tome wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? If I visit https://old.reddit.com/r/haskell/ in private mode (i.e. without my auth cookies) then I am asked to log in.

Yeah, that loads right up for me.

Doesn't work for me

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by frereubu »

The one thing I find slightly grating about links to Kagi blogs is the top comments are almost always "I use Kagi and it's great!" rather than about the content of the blog. And I'm a happy Kagi subscriber!

I get that this is an option, but what it really shows to me is how broken the model for journalism is. In my view you almost always only get good-quality journalism if you pay for it. (Somehow - e.g. the BBC is paid for by the licence fee, although I'm a bit despairing at the quality of the BBC these days, but perhaps that tracks the significant cuts to their budget...) I'm pretty sure that there's a technically viable solution to micropayments, but there are too many competing interests for anyone to settle on anything. We can't even agree on a single setting that says you don't want advertising cookies!

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by tempest_ »

rickstanley wrote: post #68
bradyd wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that loads right up for me.

Wellp, not for me... Shame, reddit has/had really good answers to a variety of problems that I've had over the years. Not sure if there's a replacement for it, or if there will ever be another.

They are just trying to close the loophole from the scrapers.

They are selling content to google et al for their LLMs and they don't want to give it away for free.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by mrngld »

OroPla wrote: post #61
demibabs wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don’t get it. Do people want actual journalism to go out of business?

Didn't journalism go out of business decades ago and now not even pretends to be journalism anymore? I feel it has gotten so bad that most younger people alive today do not even realize what journalism is supposed to be: only report the facts, never add your own opinion to the facts, if there is more than one side, ask each side and report what each side has to say without omitting or adding anything. These are just…

I think that sort of journalism has largely been purged from the traditional sources and has ended up on Substack, or their own site. It's transitioned from "I can trust Brand X" to "I can trust that individual because of their track record and the way they reliably report things that don't align with their own world view", etc. Glenn Greenwald is an example. The story around why he had to depart The Intercept (which he helped found!) is everything that's wrong with modern journalism that has pushed people like Glenn to places like Substack.

Bringing it back to paywalls and Kagi and paying for content, Glenn has 3 kids and I think a bunch of dogs and they all need to eat.

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by no-name-here »

john_strinlai wrote: post #90
oriettaxx wrote: post #86

omg, great really!!! When will this be available into HN, too ?

> When will this be available into HN, too ? hn already disallows paywalled links, unless there is an easy/low-effort bypass (noscript, archive link, gift link, etc.).

I don't see it offhand in the newsguidelines page nor the submit page? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/submit

Edit: It's in the newsfaq page https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html per the replies

Re: Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results

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Post by entrox »

taintify wrote: post #82
pkilgore wrote: post #6

I love Kagi but will probably be selective or ignore this one. Sometimes, I like to know what's out there, and I don't have a problem with paying for good content.

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Because it lets me hide the trash that is commercialized internet. I choose what service I pay for, e.g. Kagi, everything else should just vanish from my point of view and stop polluting my eye space.

That's why this is a good feature.

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