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Re: Ox Alpha

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Everyone trains on your data. With Chinese providers at least I'm getting a open weight model out of it.

That's very defeatist. Do you have any concrete reason to think the major providers are lying to every one of their business/API customers about not training or storing the data? The business loss of trust would outweigh any benefits of the data. (And if they freely lie about such things, I don't know why they would bother taking the PR hit when they announced fable had temporary data retention for their abuse preven…

> That's very defeatist. Do you have any concrete reason to think the major providers are lying to every one of their business/API customers about not training or storing the data? The business loss of trust would outweigh any benefits of the data.

I mean, if those providers cared about infosec enough, stuff like this probably wouldn't happen: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48877371

At the same time if I was one of those large orgs and was running out of training data and falling behind the competitors, I'd probably have to stretch every definition under the sun, like what counts as "metadata". From a zero sum game perspective, it doesn't make that much sense for them NOT to train on your data if the consequences upon (non-guaranteed) discovery seem largely inconsequential when everyone just wants the best model regardless.

Re: Ox Alpha

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post #153
post #134

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Just a few years ago, people would lose their marbles if some software installed a background agent to send you notifications or something. Now we agreed that it's totally normal to have software that does remote code execution on our machines, for which it first has to transfer all data to a remote server. We've already normalized this. It doesn't really matter who gets access to said machine/data - they will all re…

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> loser mindset.

You can disagree without that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

At the same time, I will also be the first one to admit that I don't have like 20-50k EUR laying around for the hardware to run inference fast enough on good models. Hell, even an RTX 5060 Ti 16 GB is at least 700 EUR (820 USD) right now over here, so regular consumers are also screwed, same with RAM prices and storage prices. Absolutely insane time to buy hardware.

Re: Ox Alpha

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post #155

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I suspect Fable refuses to talk about anything biology whatsoever (so much so that I can't use it) -- and Welch's test, i.e. an unequal variance t test, is beloved by biologists. Stupid, but there ya go...

I had Fable flag my question as unsafe with tag [bio] for asking it to ... use Unicode graphemes. In Elixir code that already was using this function elsewhere: https://elixir.hexdocs.pm/String.html

Happened to me with ChatGPT and Gemini too often, that a harmless change in my own picture is marked as harmful content (just changed the tie color). And the AI refuses and future edit.

Re: Ox Alpha

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post #110

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> Chinas national policy is to destroy everyone’s life using espionage, bribery etc . They frame lack of morality as strength. And that differs from US foreign policy, how?

the US has threatened to invade 15 countries in 2026, including ally countries (Denmark and Canada) Israel (with US money) is attacking Gaza, Cisjordania, Lebanon, Iran, Syria, now threatening Turkey and Egypt. But yeah, China bad I guess

Some of it is miss information ( Turkey), some of it simply never happened. US is not dictatorship, one blah blah person(trum) can't do everything he wants.

Real military conflicts you mentioned are direct impact of chinese policies. They willing to fuel any evil government unless they are against west. Without Iran doing proxy wars middle east would be at peace.

Now the dry results of China VS US policies in regions since modern communist china establishment. What their policy produce.

cause-and-effect relationships 101. What Evil China produce , and how that's related even to some invasions your mentioned.

General overview : The post world war II period was the most peaceful time in modern history, leaded by US policies. with some mistakes like vietnam. but China did the same mistake and invaded Vietnam too anyways. Right now china goes into power. what their policies , their world looks like?

Korea. Their first action. Direct military invasion by Mao. The Result: terrorist state, that officially supports stealing, human trafficking, selling drugs, arms to middle east etc. It now directly destroying part of Europe sending giant, not precise ballistic missiles, that killing children , woman etc. the also send troops to kill more europeans, just because Putin paid them some money. North Korea would not exist without china nor from inception, nor up until recently. Due to that support we also have one extra nuclear country who's will even the most evil one will be blindly followed by their people.

The opposite of is ... South Korea, that brings to the world peace, technology, cars, phones. Poster child of china's policies vs poster child of USA policies.

Next Poster child is Iran.

Iran would not survive without China's support neither economically neither technology wise. Iran supports tons of proxies in middle east. Creating entire instability in the region, fueling number of wars. They killing their own people who are not happy with the government, and attacking everyone around taking entire world as a hostage. Also involved in all shady operations. Spreading arms, including drones, infamous Shaheds that killed so many people in Europe. China provide all equipment from military to cellphone so that body government can control and kill everyone who disagree with their policies. Compare that to USA policies, who removed major threads like Iraq who invaded countries around.

Moving forward : Poster child russia. Russia would not survive it's war without China's support. And now it sending drones with China's made electronics to number of countries of Europe. The opposite ? USA supported Ukraine, and Russia lost it power in war-torn Siria and right now finally there is some shaky peace over there.

To me it's very obvious what china produces as a government.

USA is ugly reacting trying to save the world from another half crazy government that is trying to create nuclear weapons. The free world needs a new super power to protect themself probably, since we have an evil super power like china. Unfortunately, usa can't protect free world anymore.

Re: Ox Alpha

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post #114

OpenCode offers this with ZDR agreement in place. Seems better than OpenRouter if you want to test it out: https://x.com/opencode/status/2090544355824038300

What is the benefit for the AI lab in providing a model for free but getting no data in return? It seems strange

Testing capacity?

Re: Ox Alpha

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post #14

It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse. Side tangent, why is fable so weird about questions involving "Welch's method"? Even really trivial ones it'll shut down frequently. CFAR and STFT are both totally fine but Welch's is apparently taboo, it's wild.

I had the opposite experience. It happily discusses Tiananmen Square but said it would refuse to help with anything "malicious" like writing malware or phishing content.

> tell me about tianenamen square

Tiananmen Square (1989)

In spring 1989, students and workers occupied Beijing's Tiananmen Square demanding democratic reform, free press, and an end to corruption. The protests grew through April–May, peaking with hundreds of thousands of demonstrators. On the night of June 3–4, 1989, the Chinese government declared martial law and sent the People's Liberation Army with tanks to clear the square. Troops fired on protesters and civilians. Estimates of deaths range from several hundred to several thousand; China has never released a full accounting.

The iconic image from the protests is "Tank Man" — a lone man standing before a column of tanks on June 5. >Aftermath: arrests and executions of participants, censorship of the topic within China (it's heavily suppressed on the Chinese internet), and international sanctions that were later eased.

Want more detail on any aspect — the causes, the crackdown, or its legacy?

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It is fairly complete and doesn't exactly paint a good picture of PLA, I am curious if anyone else has been denied.

Re: Ox Alpha

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post #14

It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse. Side tangent, why is fable so weird about questions involving "Welch's method"? Even really trivial ones it'll shut down frequently. CFAR and STFT are both totally fine but Welch's is apparently taboo, it's wild.

I suspect Fable refuses to talk about anything biology whatsoever (so much so that I can't use it) -- and Welch's test, i.e. an unequal variance t test, is beloved by biologists. Stupid, but there ya go...

Fable refused to talk to me about how herring communicate with farts. It’s a little sensitive.

Re: Ox Alpha

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post #14

It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse. Side tangent, why is fable so weird about questions involving "Welch's method"? Even really trivial ones it'll shut down frequently. CFAR and STFT are both totally fine but Welch's is apparently taboo, it's wild.

I had the opposite experience. It happily discusses Tiananmen Square but said it would refuse to help with anything "malicious" like writing malware or phishing content.

Ive had this as well, it says unless it is red code team whatever that means.

Re: Ox Alpha

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post #14

It's Chinese. Won't answer anything about Tiananmen Square but will gleefully give you instructions to perform various electronic warfare attacks that opus and fable instantly refuse. Side tangent, why is fable so weird about questions involving "Welch's method"? Even really trivial ones it'll shut down frequently. CFAR and STFT are both totally fine but Welch's is apparently taboo, it's wild.

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Re: Ox Alpha

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post #84

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The serving endpoint can censor. At TrustedRouter we ran the same GLM-4.7 weights on both hosts: Cerebras answered all 60 FreedomBench questions; one Z.ai endpoint went blank on 27. https://trustedrouter.com/blog/censored-at-the-host-not-the-...

They can, but I think we have to assume that as the field matures, the censoring will be applied at training, too.

depends on if they want to capture any of the US market (seems like they do)
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