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Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by def_true_false »

roenxi wrote: post #104
Oranguru wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We're all more likely to get what we want. Ideally peace and prosperity. As sovereign citizens of their own country, Ukrainians have the right to decide under which flag they want to collectively pursue peace and prosperity. I believe they have made that choice clear through democratic means, something Russians have not experienced in a long time. If Russia is allowed to take Ukraine, it will move on to Poland next…

> As sovereign citizens of their own country, Ukrainians have the right to decide under which flag they want to collectively pursue peace and prosperity. Much like Iran. And yet we took out their leadership just this year (again) because we think they picked the wrong flag. Apparently such behaviour is tolerable. If it is tolerable, we should tolerate the Russians doing it too, even if it is on their own border inste…

Why do you only care about being fair to the Russians? It's not a two player game. This is not the cold war. Russia is a borderline failed state, not a superpower. Yes, they have nukes, but so does Pakistan and I don't see Americans talking about Pakistan's sphere of influence.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by ben_w »

pjc50 wrote: post #145
ben_w wrote: post #134

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> Which, with 20/20 hindsight, we now know was wild paranoia. The Russians weren't even geared up to properly invade Ukraine, they were as shocked as the rest of us when the Ukrainians decided a land war in Asia was a better idea than surrender. They spent something like 2 years back in 2022-2024 retooling for a real war. They weren't preparing to take Poland, they were trying to preserve a sphere of influence in Ukr…

> The Polish? The Lithuanians? I for one welcome the re-establishment of a nuclear armed Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Just as long as we don't get the Hapsburgs back again. (nb to audience and mods: this is a joke, which probably doesn't belong at the bottom of a serious thread about the Ukraine war and definitely not on a discussion of Japanese operating systems, yet here we are)

> Just as long as we don't get the Hapsburgs back again.

Don't worry, if anyone can't tell their arse from their elbows long enough to gain power, it's the line so inbred that neither can anyone else.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by cassepipe »

> Files can exist in multiple locations without duplication, linked by the system rather than by symlinks or shortcuts,

I always think about linux hard-links and always though they were pretty cool but I don't think I have encountered any in the wild so far (I am not a sysadmin though)

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by leonidasrup »

pjc50 wrote: post #122
Lumich wrote: post #117

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« Russia can retreat into their internationally recognized borders at any time. » The US has around 900 military bases abroad. Far more than all other countries combined. These bases are a constant source of threats and bullying, deploying and projecting a GDP largely based on death and destruction. Why don't the US retreat into their internationally recognized borders?

The simple answer is that those bases aren't considered US territory and do not constitute annexation, and in most cases are there by invitation, such as to defend against the other, worse, hegemon. (Some exceptions apply for e.g. the Chagossians)

If those bases aren't considered US territory whose territory are they?

In case of United States Army installations in Germany:

" The legal status of Americans stationed in Germany is governed by special international agreements including the NATO Status of Forces Agreement.

People stationed at overseas bases or posts must remember German laws apply to them, too. To protect yourself, know what rights you have as an American. Whether German authorities exercise their right of jurisdiction depends on the circumstances of the case. "

https://www.ramstein.af.mil/About/Fact-Sheets/Display/Articl...

In case of Guantanamo Bay Naval Base:

"At the United Nations Human Rights Council in 2013, Cuba's Foreign Minister demanded the U.S. return the base to Cuba."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_Naval_Base#Cold...

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by def_true_false »

cpursley wrote: post #86
pjc50 wrote: post #83

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Russia is the odd one out here, in that it was started by Russian incursions as far back as 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Crimea The think tank argument is very valid though. You can no longer find "Project for the new American Century" online, but they laid out the invasion of Iraq before 9/11 (the pretext) even happened.

Gosh, now I wonder why they would have possibly intervened at that particular time. No geopolitical analysts anywhere could have ever predicted the reaction of Russia to the possibility of Sevastopol becoming a NATO Naval base and US forward strike forces and missile base setting up shop just 250 miles away from Moscow...

There are already NATO bases within 250 miles of St Petersburg. Pray tell, what's so special about Moscow?

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by somenameforme »

ben_w wrote: post #149
r2_pilot wrote: post #123

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>>« occasional sabotage operations in Western Europe » – You mean like when the US (plus allies) sabotaged the Nord Stream pipeline? When is the last time you refreshed your knowledge about this? It's my current understanding that Ukrainians performed this sabotage.

> It's my current understanding that Ukrainians performed this sabotage. I believe there are one or two trials, but they have not yet been found guilty. It would have been crazily irresponsible of them if they are guilty, but then I can't figure out who wouldn't have been crazy to do it. BTW, a quick search suggests that it is a Russian government talking point to blame the USA for this.

Things being a talking point doesn't mean they're untrue. The US is and was the only party that made any logical sense, to say nothing of also being one of only a handful of nations with the technical expertise to do so as well. The US was against the Nord Stream from the beginning because we felt it could deepen ties between Germany and Russia, unilaterally sanctioned companies involved in it, and of course Biden publicly alluded to threats of blowing it up: "If Russia invades ... then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." "How will you do that, since the project is under Germany's control?" "We will, uh, I promise you, we will, uh, be able to do that *smirking*." [1]

With it blown up we're able to make Europe completely dependent upon US gas sold at a high premium. Well, at least that was probably the goal. Technically the attack failed and at least one of the pipelines was/is still viable, but the US probably was hedging their bets because there was no way to anticipate exactly how enthusiastic Europe would be about setting aside their own self interests for the sake of US geopolitics. It also helps ensure less chance of a reconciliation between Russia and Europe which is probably seen as a reasonable way of weakening both.

Reading "Rebuilding America's Defense" [2] by the typical names that show up in basically every US presidency, Democrat and Republican alike, is crucial to understanding US geopolitics. And one thing we obsess over is/was the prevention of the emergence of new superpowers. This is even mentioned quite explicitly in the text, "[Deploying US forces to Europe] is especially important in light of the nascent European moves toward an independent defense "identity" and policy; it is important that NATO not be replaced by the European Union, leaving the United States without a voice in European security affairs."

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8

[2] - https://governamerica.com/documents/RebuildingAmericasDefens...

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by conductr »

childintime wrote: post #19
specproc wrote: post #3

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> The report stated that the US had concerns about Japanese government market intervention to support the TRON OS and identified two specific markets where TRON was receiving government advantage. The US government is one hell of a moat.

The financial center of the world selects its winners nearby. As simple as that. Businesses outside of the US have never had much of a chance. China does the same now, as the engineering center of the world. And they have to because the financial center is hyping them as a threat.

It’s also just less risky and easier to work with people that you are near, speak your language, etc. more so back in the 80s before most people were even using email, we Americans had virtually no contact with people on other continents even was limited in the business world.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by dismalaf »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #144
dismalaf wrote: post #121

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Horseshoe theory still undefeated. Both right-wingers who consume certain content as well as left-wingers in the pro-Palestine/Iran camp tend to be sympathetic to the Russian cause, as the Russians and Iranians fund specific influencers/political parties on both sides of the spectrum. Right-wingers in Eastern Europe (who aren't obviously paid by Russia) are way more anti-Russia than the ones in the US.

This is a bizarre take. Despite propaganda to the contrary most "pro-palestine" takes are actually just anti-genocide and pro-human-rights. Similarly at least in the US this "iranian camp" you refer to is by and large an anti-getting-involved camp. Is it really pro-iranian to ask why the government is burning billions of dollars to destabilize the global economy? Also I've yet to meet a single person who was "pro-pal…

You need to pay attention then.

https://kyivindependent.com/pro-palestinian-activists-destro...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7x68jrdmlo

https://time.com/6589923/nancy-pelosi-pro-palestinian-protes...

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/russias-...

And this isn't counting the countless TikTok influencers, trade unions, etc... that are all anti-"war" and have pro-IRGC and pro-China views.

And while you're kind of right that few are outright carrying water for Russia, at least publicly, they all conveniently support what Russia supports.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by leonidasrup »

cpursley wrote: post #86
pjc50 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is the odd one out here, in that it was started by Russian incursions as far back as 2014: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_occupation_of_Crimea The think tank argument is very valid though. You can no longer find "Project for the new American Century" online, but they laid out the invasion of Iraq before 9/11 (the pretext) even happened.

Gosh, now I wonder why they would have possibly intervened at that particular time. No geopolitical analysts anywhere could have ever predicted the reaction of Russia to the possibility of Sevastopol becoming a NATO Naval base and US forward strike forces and missile base setting up shop just 250 miles away from Moscow...

Distance between Sevastopol and Moscow is 1284 km, 798.31 mi or 693.71 nmi.

On the other hand distance from Kaliningrad to Berlin is just 618 km, 384 mi or 333.94 nmi.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by kshri24 »

bulbar wrote: post #34
childintime wrote: post #19

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The financial center of the world selects its winners nearby. As simple as that. Businesses outside of the US have never had much of a chance. China does the same now, as the engineering center of the world. And they have to because the financial center is hyping them as a threat.

A dictatorship with the explicit goal of invading Taiwan, which is not only a close ally, but also of global geostrategic importance. That's not "hype".

I don't like China for how it is behaving with my country but it is rich to talk about "invasions" when all the invading in the past half a century has been done by a Sole Democratic Superpower and its lackeys. Cannot believe I am having to defend China here but here we are!
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