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Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by bulbar » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 11:32 AM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #74

pjc50 wrote: post #68

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> why we keep hitting the Russians 1) "we" (the US) are not hitting the Russians, "we" (Europe including the UK) are providing them with weapons for their self-defence, since it is in our interest to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe happening on the Polish border. I am no longer clear what, if any, assistance the US is providing. It is also very important in this that no NATO or EU forces are engaged directly with…

> since it is in our interest to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe happening on the Polish border. If your argument is preventing trouble on the Polish border, why is the strategy dumping billions and billions of dollars in weapons into the most corrupt country in Europe, who happens to be on the Polish border? Keeping a conflict worthy of WWII smouldering in the area for more than 4 years now? The sensible thing to…

You don't achieve peace by surrendering to the people with the guns.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by vkaku » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 11:33 AM UTC

One can *ACTUALLY* do things if they stop listening to lobbyists and prioritize locally developed products over lobbied products, just saying.

Given the current US debt situation, Japan is in a position to dictate its local manufacturing terms and actually do what it wants to do.

Meanwhile, in the US, the products being sold are highly lobbied and relies on the government moat to be protected in order for things to work. The side effect of that also means that some of the companies really don't lead to innovative outcomes in the long run, and are in positions of lucky power. This leads to poorer customer experiences, poorer technical outcomes and non competitiveness in the long run, like manufacturing. This trend needs to be reversed and the US leaders should be held responsible for doing the right thing here.

I'm well aware of TRON and its capabilities. I really think Japan can develop this and market it locally, without requiring all the bloat the current OS world comes with; It might actually turn into a speed and security advantage if they did this right.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by jdw64 » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 11:34 AM UTC

OroPla wrote: post #97

jdw64 wrote: post #55

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In this case, I'd appreciate it if you could understand it as my 'native language.' When you input a language that isn't English into a computer, it often doesn't work well with ASCII—it frequently breaks in many places. Because the standards for computer work are mostly set by the US, people in Asia often call the ASCII system 'the privilege of one byte.' A single hardware switch maps directly to one byte of memory.…

What gave you the impression that you can't just type all utf-8 characters in existence in a Linux terminal? It even takes emojis.

No, it's not an issue with all UTF-8 character input—it's a crash that happens in specific situations. In other words, it's intermittent. For example, there were cases where accidentally typing Korean characters while opening a terminal or editor would cause a crash. (This was about 4 years ago, so I'm not sure how it is now.)

Anyway, it's been mostly fixed now, but if I remember correctly, there were cases where edge cases caused crashes because the input standards were inconsistent

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by glimshe » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 11:37 AM UTC

vkaku wrote: post #112

One can *ACTUALLY* do things if they stop listening to lobbyists and prioritize locally developed products over lobbied products, just saying. Given the current US debt situation, Japan is in a position to dictate its local manufacturing terms and actually do what it wants to do. Meanwhile, in the US, the products being sold are highly lobbied and relies on the government moat to be protected in order for things to w…

Japan has an even more severe debt problem than the US, with a rapidly aging and declining population making it a much tougher hurdle to overcome.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by pjc50 » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 11:37 AM UTC

myko wrote: post #103

roenxi wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> since it is in our interest to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe happening on the Polish border. If your argument is preventing trouble on the Polish border, why is the strategy dumping billions and billions of dollars in weapons into the most corrupt country in Europe, who happens to be on the Polish border? Keeping a conflict worthy of WWII smouldering in the area for more than 4 years now? The sensible thing to…

No, the sensible thing to do would have been to enforce a no fly zone and tell Putin to get the fuck out. This is horrific and downplaying Russia's invasion is abhorrent.

The Russians ended up with a no fly zone of their own (shooting down an airliner full of civilians)

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by selimthegrim » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 11:38 AM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #94

Lio wrote: post #84

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> One of the two is worse and it isn't the policies written in Cyrillic. I can't tell if you're a tankie or a bot but Russia is right now conducting an unprovoked war against a democracy with no foreign policy goal other than to destroy Ukraine and seize its assets. Where Russia has been forced out of Ukraine it's left behind war crimes and mass civilian graves. So experience shows, there is no safe surrender for Ukr…

roenxi is a moderately prolific poster who can post reasonably but is clearly also plugged into the rightwing political and news ecosystem resulting in this kind of "rightwing tankie" take. I believe they're actually from one of India/Pakistan/Bangladesh, which would correlate with the timezone of this argument (it's 7am in NY and I would expect most of America to be asleep)

There are a couple others in here - thriftwy and another who posts often about China but is shadowbanned whose name escapes me atm

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by Lumich » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 11:40 AM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #81

roenxi wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> since it is in our interest to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe happening on the Polish border. If your argument is preventing trouble on the Polish border, why is the strategy dumping billions and billions of dollars in weapons into the most corrupt country in Europe, who happens to be on the Polish border? Keeping a conflict worthy of WWII smouldering in the area for more than 4 years now? The sensible thing to…

> "sensible" According to what idea of "sensible"? > encourage a Ukrainian surrender early on and send them some food/whatnot in a care package, then fortify the Polish border. This would still have resulted in millions of refugees, plus some unknown number of people killed by Russian forces exterminating any local pro-Europe political supporters. Remember Euromaidan. It also snuffs out a democracy, which is not a go…

« Russia can retreat into their internationally recognized borders at any time. »

The US has around 900 military bases abroad. Far more than all other countries combined. These bases are a constant source of threats and bullying, deploying and projecting a GDP largely based on death and destruction. Why don't the US retreat into their internationally recognized borders?

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by soco » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 11:40 AM UTC

Lumich wrote: post #98

pjc50 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why we keep hitting the Russians 1) "we" (the US) are not hitting the Russians, "we" (Europe including the UK) are providing them with weapons for their self-defence, since it is in our interest to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe happening on the Polish border. I am no longer clear what, if any, assistance the US is providing. It is also very important in this that no NATO or EU forces are engaged directly with…

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Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by bulbar » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 11:40 AM UTC

myko wrote: post #103

roenxi wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> since it is in our interest to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe happening on the Polish border. If your argument is preventing trouble on the Polish border, why is the strategy dumping billions and billions of dollars in weapons into the most corrupt country in Europe, who happens to be on the Polish border? Keeping a conflict worthy of WWII smouldering in the area for more than 4 years now? The sensible thing to…

No, the sensible thing to do would have been to enforce a no fly zone and tell Putin to get the fuck out. This is horrific and downplaying Russia's invasion is abhorrent.

I can't believe how many fall for the Russian propaganda while it's pretty clear who's the attacker and who is being attacked. And yet, some people still get it wrong. "Just surrender" to have peace... I can't believe it, as if an invading force comes in peace. How about "just stop attacking" instead.

Re: Japan tried to build an operating system for the world, the US intervened

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Post by pjc50 » Fri, Aug 21, 2026, 11:43 AM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #101

pjc50 wrote: post #81

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> "sensible" According to what idea of "sensible"? > encourage a Ukrainian surrender early on and send them some food/whatnot in a care package, then fortify the Polish border. This would still have resulted in millions of refugees, plus some unknown number of people killed by Russian forces exterminating any local pro-Europe political supporters. Remember Euromaidan. It also snuffs out a democracy, which is not a go…

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> there doesn't seem to be any reason to be provoking and sustaining it. It has been disastrous policy. We shouldn't have done it, we shouldn't have continued it and we should stop it now

Stopping the Iran war via total withdrawal might work like that. Western surrender in the Ukraine war (which, we need to keep reminding you, the first actual shots were in all cases fired by Russia) results in a situation far worse.

The bombing runs on Moscow will continue as long as the bombing runs on Kyiv continue. It is absurd to pretend that Russia are somehow agencyless dupes of US policy because you don't like the idea that Putin doesn't care how many Russians are killed so long as he retains power.