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Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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It seems like one takeaway is that a significant portion of people will just pay the default as stated, even if given a choice. I think people just have a hard time deciding what something is actually worth, so they'll take whatever advice is given. So, when pricing your products, if you're wondering if you should charge more, the default answer should be "Yes"

I'll bite: this is immoral, isn't it? To charge more than what you think it's worth. Because that's taking money you don't think you deserve. Anyway, this whole community seems oblivious to morals... I can almost feel the nihilism through the internet.

It's not a moral question because it's the buyer who determines what something is worth, not the seller. The seller just sets the price. If the buyer thinks something is worth more than the price, then they'll buy it. Otherwise they'll walk away. The seller isn't taking their money, the buyer is either giving it or not.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

#152

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I'm not sure if you considered this and your payment model made that easy or even possible, but I would guess that many people would like to try it first without paying anything and after that, they would pay whatever they think it is worth for them. I would have done this. And if there wouldn't be an easy way later on to pay/donate, I would have just leave it unpaid.

I've been toying with the idea of making a simple service like that. You can download file X for free, only by leaving your email address. Then, after a few days/weeks/months, depending on what the author wanted, the service emails you and asks you to pay for the thing you downloaded, and gives you a link to easily pay. I've found that I'll definitely pay for things after I've tried them, but I'm more hesitant to do…

There's a concept in the info marketing space called the "invisible funnel"

You collect credit card info upfront, deliver the information they opted in for with their cc, then the option to not process your cc is presented.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been toying with the idea of making a simple service like that. You can download file X for free, only by leaving your email address. Then, after a few days/weeks/months, depending on what the author wanted, the service emails you and asks you to pay for the thing you downloaded, and gives you a link to easily pay. I've found that I'll definitely pay for things after I've tried them, but I'm more hesitant to do…

There's a concept in the info marketing space called the "invisible funnel" You collect credit card info upfront, deliver the information they opted in for with their cc, then the option to not process your cc is presented.

Yeah, but that's bordering on "scam". The service I'm envisioning is more "reminds you to pay after you've used something, if you found it useful", and even the e-mail address could be useful to the creator of the thing (for further marketing).

You could even also opt to not share your e-mail address with the developer by paying directly, before accessing the thing at all.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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post #149

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If I made a whole bunch of awesome potato skins for a party and said "It is suggested you only take up to two potato skins", and you take 10, you are a jerk. Or at an open bar, if you don't tip the bartenders you are a jerk. Or if there's a potluck and it's suggested everyone brings something, and you bring nothing. Jerk. "The rules" don't define whether you are a jerk or not. How you behave in the situation, does. T…

The wording makes all the difference. In this case it was "pay what you want", so "take as many potato skins as you want". Would someone who takes that invitation still be a jerk? Or just selfish? Or a hacker? This reminds me of http://www.untoldentertainment.com/blog/2011/03/05/holding-t...

You are not a hacker and you are not gaming anything. You are just an asshole. People thinking like you are the reason we will soon need a lawyer just to cross the road.

I invite you to score yourself in the psychopathy checklist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist) and let us know how it went.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

#155
post #76

It seems like one takeaway is that a significant portion of people will just pay the default as stated, even if given a choice. I think people just have a hard time deciding what something is actually worth, so they'll take whatever advice is given. So, when pricing your products, if you're wondering if you should charge more, the default answer should be "Yes"

So, a couple months back I released a WebGL Enabler for iOS with a pay-what-you-want model: http://demoseen.com/webglenabler/ I keep meaning to write a blog post about the results, but ~99.5% of people paid $0. Of the people who paid, probably around 50% paid the $1.99 I had as default, but what's really interesting to me is the way people priced it if they changed the value. I got a number of payments for amounts li…

I wonder what would happen if you designed the page a little bit differently, and gave them an option to pay, and a separate option to download it for free.

At first glance I want to put in $0.00 just to see if it works, not necessarily because that's what I'd be willing to pay.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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It’s a sad day: I am starting to realize I am old.

I went to the website, saw it was a card game and thought I would learn more about it as I like card games. I play card games.

I clicked on "How do I play Cards Against Humanity" under the "Your dumb questions" but quickly lost interest when I would have had to click on "Read the fucking rules" to learn more about the game.

I get it... it is probably an edgy game... it probably is not for me. I guess I will never know as I just don’t want to "read the fucking rules".

EDIT: Fixed typo.

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

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post #141
post #10

I think it's absolutely great that they've donated all the proceeds to Wikipedia :) Congratulations. It's heartwarming to know that although there are some free loaders, you were still made a pretty penny. On the other hand, how come all the design work, copy writing, etc are considered free? That's just masking the actual cost of the product.

"I think it's absolutely great that they've donated all the proceeds to Wikipedia" Looking at their quirky web page of comparisons, I think it would be hilarious if the wikipedia deletionist camp responded by deleting all the articles quoted on their page. I'll never donate a penny to wikipedia until that social problem is eradicated. "Here's $70K of value... whoops deleted"

Think of it as increasing the signal-to-noise ratio by $70K?

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

#159
post #94

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Logical thinking is fine: garbage in — garbage out. Logical thinking won't help if you give it incorrect input data. Unless you believe in supernatural; everything is math provided a correct model.

That is a complete misunderstanding of the word model. Models are tools to help describe expected behaviour given a plethora of assumptions - they are not there to perfectly predict what can and will happen. The idea that a model can do so has caused innumerable problems of late and it is frustrating to hear such myths perpetuated.

To describe "what can and will happen" requires its own assumptions and therefore model.

If you can't see a model you are not digging deep enough.

Though I understand your point of view. Some think that the fundamental physics can end i.e., a unified theory of everything is possible.

It is more likely that it is turtles all the way down i.e, we can always observe phenomena that contradict predictions of current theories (reveal assumptions that are not valid for the phenomenon).

Re: Cards Against Humanity: Results of "pay what you want"

#160
post #87

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That's what I hate most about having insight into data... the times when my intuition is wrong and there is no rational reason for what is actually happening. Human behavior can be so bizarre...

Unfortunately, it's logical thinking that is bizzarre. Irrationality is the norm.

While I'm not sure I agree, there's a fun meta discussion from Quora http://www.quora.com/Are-humans-fundamentally-rational-or-ir....
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