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Re: Bun 1.4

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Post by suriyaG »

mpalmer wrote: post #63
suriyaG wrote: post #25

This is awesome. slightly aside, but I find it worrying that our industry treats a lot of cannon events in stride and don't organize around that idea or to mitigate the risks around that idea. things that everybody basically just complained but ended up working out fine, - Bun rust rewrite. - Elon Musk firing 80% of twitter by stack ranking employees by code committed - autocompletion basically just taking over every…

How are you deciding that either of these things worked out fine

bun has lesser memory issues, more bug fixes shipped than ever before. same happening across the board with chrome, mozilla etc.

twitter has (irrespective of the political turmoil etc.) purely as a technical product added more users, more features etc.

to me that seems like it worked out fine.

Re: Bun 1.4

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Post by tock »

solid_fuel wrote: post #116
reducesuffering wrote: post #55

Absolute crickets from the "there's no way LLM's can rewrite Bun to Rust this quickly, it's going to be buggy, it's marketing" crowd Comments here 3 months ago are quite something: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48132488

Sure I’ll bite the obvious bait, why not. > Absolute crickets from the "there's no way LLM's can rewrite Bun to Rust this quickly, it's going to be buggy, it's marketing" crowd > Comments here 3 months ago are quite something: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48132488 Did you… perhaps read the entire comment you just posted? The crowd that was saying “no way they did that in 11 days” sure seems correct given that…

1.4 also adds a lot of features so its more than a port. Plus Claude Code has been using the rust port since atleast July 19. So its definitely less than 3 months.

Re: Bun 1.4

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Post by suriyaG »

solid_fuel wrote: post #117
mpalmer wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are you deciding that either of these things worked out fine

Well if you ignore all the issues and declare victory, I think you’ll find it’s possible to decide anything is fine.

I really am curious about the issues that I'm ignoring

twitter was a dumpster fire before and now it is (to me) less of a dumpster fire.

so far it seems like the bun rewrite is going quite well. I haven't found any major issues since the merge despite, robobun being the top committer in the repo.

Re: Bun 1.4

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Post by solid_fuel »

tock wrote: post #132
solid_fuel wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure I’ll bite the obvious bait, why not. > Absolute crickets from the "there's no way LLM's can rewrite Bun to Rust this quickly, it's going to be buggy, it's marketing" crowd > Comments here 3 months ago are quite something: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48132488 Did you… perhaps read the entire comment you just posted? The crowd that was saying “no way they did that in 11 days” sure seems correct given that…

1.4 also adds a lot of features so its more than a port. Plus Claude Code has been using the rust port since atleast July 19. So its definitely less than 3 months.

Or, more likely, the amount of crappy auto generated code and “features” they crammed into this release resulted in so many bugs that a “simple rewrite” would up being 3 months of whack-a-mole with the issues they created. That’s the predictable result from the lack of engineering discipline involved here.

Re: Bun 1.4

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Post by chamomeal »

blks wrote: post #98
TiredOfLife wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The code is here https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/ go and audit all you want

The author didn’t care to himself, just merging enormous PRs with “lol” tweets about how github doesn’t display all the changes because there are too many. This is unmaintable mess, and the author himself is struggling already, given how he pushed the release date ten times.

It’s not maintainable by humans because there’s not a single human person who actually wrote any of it. But I guess it’s maintainable by LLMs. Which is part of the anthropic marketing

Re: Bun 1.4

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Post by pohl »

solid_fuel wrote: post #116
reducesuffering wrote: post #55

Absolute crickets from the "there's no way LLM's can rewrite Bun to Rust this quickly, it's going to be buggy, it's marketing" crowd Comments here 3 months ago are quite something: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48132488

Sure I’ll bite the obvious bait, why not. > Absolute crickets from the "there's no way LLM's can rewrite Bun to Rust this quickly, it's going to be buggy, it's marketing" crowd > Comments here 3 months ago are quite something: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48132488 Did you… perhaps read the entire comment you just posted? The crowd that was saying “no way they did that in 11 days” sure seems correct given that…

Be honest, though: had they shipped earlier—which they probably could have safely done—they would have been called “reckless” by the detractors. There was no way to make them happy here.

Re: Bun 1.4

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Post by owebmaster »

reducesuffering wrote: post #106
zem wrote: post #94

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this is currently on the front page of lobsters, I saw it even before I saw the bun 1.4 release announcement https://tipiirai.com/writing/bun-rust-rewrite-worries

Lobste.rs is now flagging Bun 1.4 post as spam and comments are dismissing it as nothing, even as that blog post got much more discussion and piling on about the rewrite. Internet echo chambers are quite a problem. AI success and its immense implications are wreaking havoc on the ability of even intellectuals in HN and lobsters to face reality in front of them, even as their predictions become falsified again and aga…

> Internet echo chambers are quite a problem. AI success and its immense implications are wreaking havoc on the ability of even intellectuals in HN and lobsters to face reality in front of them, even as their predictions become falsified again and again.

In this scenario, do you see yourself as an intellectual? In this case, one that is illuminated by the glory of AI. Or just looking for validation and not finding?

Re: Bun 1.4

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Post by slopinthebag »

suriyaG wrote: post #25

This is awesome. slightly aside, but I find it worrying that our industry treats a lot of cannon events in stride and don't organize around that idea or to mitigate the risks around that idea. things that everybody basically just complained but ended up working out fine, - Bun rust rewrite. - Elon Musk firing 80% of twitter by stack ranking employees by code committed - autocompletion basically just taking over every…

> but it is still fascinating to see people complain about how LLMs don't think

What does that have to do with anything? They very clearly don't "think", that doesn't mean they can't be useful....

Re: Bun 1.4

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Post by solid_fuel »

pohl wrote: post #137
solid_fuel wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure I’ll bite the obvious bait, why not. > Absolute crickets from the "there's no way LLM's can rewrite Bun to Rust this quickly, it's going to be buggy, it's marketing" crowd > Comments here 3 months ago are quite something: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48132488 Did you… perhaps read the entire comment you just posted? The crowd that was saying “no way they did that in 11 days” sure seems correct given that…

Be honest, though: had they shipped earlier—which they probably could have safely done—they would have been called “reckless” by the detractors. There was no way to make them happy here.

Perhaps. But they didn’t, instead they spent months claiming it was done, while maybe adding a bunch of new features (why? Get the base rewrite out first) which only made them look worse.
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