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Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

#61

Post by agentdev001 »

annzabelle wrote: post #47
epistasis wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude Code is quickly becoming an anchor. Every week I marvel at how much worse it gets, how much more essential information is hidden and replaced with bloated useless TUI and rambling tangential responses that hide the useful bits of info behind jargon invented by the agent without ever explaining it to the user. It's like the PMs for Claude Code are reward hacking their own reinforcement learning.

What tools do you find are better? I have been happy with Claude Code lately, but I haven't explored other options much in over a year. Curious to try something else out if it's less rambling and tangential.

> less rambling and tangential

This is not necessarily a problem with the harness (IE, swapping from Claude Code wouldn't necessarily fix this).

If what you're looking to avoid is specifically 'rambling and tangential', you can get quite far with anything that adds directives to avoid those things, early in every context window. Ie, through use of Agents.md/claude.md, skills, hooks, and so on.

Changing model would also affect this. Fable 5, Opus 5, and Sonnet 5 are all going to average out to different levels of ramble. Openai, Xai, Google, etc; different providers models will also have different levels of ramble.

What Claude Code does take away from you is some level of control over what makes it into the context window. The system prompt which claude code append to the beginning of every session of course has measurable ramble-affect.

I quite like the Pi harness, most in part because important goal with the approach behind it is "give the user as much control over what makes it into the cotext window as possible."

Codex TUI is also good. Haven't touched it since moving to Pi however. Again- harness isnt the big "stop rambling" thing to change, tho.

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

#62

Post by agentdev001 »

andai wrote: post #56
annzabelle wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What tools do you find are better? I have been happy with Claude Code lately, but I haven't explored other options much in over a year. Curious to try something else out if it's less rambling and tangential.

The sub only works in Claude Code itself (unless they changed that rule again?), and all the Chinese models are trained on Claude Code (a bunch of them don't even work in Codex). I use a custom harness, but I constantly hear good things about Pi. EDIT: Checked out Pi and Oh-My-Pi. 250k LoC and 1.5M LoC respectively. Sheesh. How's that for minimalism... Mine's 50. (Lines.) https://gist.github.com/a-n-d-a-i/bd50aaa4bdb…

They did walk that back, you are able to use an Anthropic login in a non-anthropic harness. (For now.)

(Edit: I failed too mention, using a different harness with a CC/Anthropic subscription bumps you up to the pay-per-token rate.)

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

#63

Post by jpalomaki »

It’s easy to end up with bunch of old stuff in AGENTS.md that latest models no longer need and what might just confuse them. See for example the story about Anthropic cutting 80% of their system prompt [1].

Maybe they feel just using the AGENTS.md written for another model and possibly different era gives bad user experience.

[1] https://claude.com/blog/the-new-rules-of-context-engineering...

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

#65

Post by asveikau »

> I propose that Claude Code adopt a dual-file approach that prioritizes its native format while gracefully falling back to the open standard.

I'm having flashbacks to the fact that GNU make reads GNUmakefile before Makefile, so it's possible to write one makefile using GNU extensions and another that works on BSD or (back in the day) commercial unix.

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

#66

Post by andai »

agentdev001 wrote: post #62
andai wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sub only works in Claude Code itself (unless they changed that rule again?), and all the Chinese models are trained on Claude Code (a bunch of them don't even work in Codex). I use a custom harness, but I constantly hear good things about Pi. EDIT: Checked out Pi and Oh-My-Pi. 250k LoC and 1.5M LoC respectively. Sheesh. How's that for minimalism... Mine's 50. (Lines.) https://gist.github.com/a-n-d-a-i/bd50aaa4bdb…

They did walk that back, you are able to use an Anthropic login in a non-anthropic harness. (For now.) (Edit: I failed too mention, using a different harness with a CC/Anthropic subscription bumps you up to the pay-per-token rate.)

Yeah and it bills extra usage? Or did they walk that back too.. gotta keep the customers on their toes!

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

#67

Post by cleaning »

annzabelle wrote: post #47
epistasis wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude Code is quickly becoming an anchor. Every week I marvel at how much worse it gets, how much more essential information is hidden and replaced with bloated useless TUI and rambling tangential responses that hide the useful bits of info behind jargon invented by the agent without ever explaining it to the user. It's like the PMs for Claude Code are reward hacking their own reinforcement learning.

What tools do you find are better? I have been happy with Claude Code lately, but I haven't explored other options much in over a year. Curious to try something else out if it's less rambling and tangential.

T3 Code if you want to use your subscriptions in an interface that respects its users.

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

#68

Post by agentdev001 »

andai wrote: post #66
agentdev001 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did walk that back, you are able to use an Anthropic login in a non-anthropic harness. (For now.) (Edit: I failed too mention, using a different harness with a CC/Anthropic subscription bumps you up to the pay-per-token rate.)

Yeah and it bills extra usage? Or did they walk that back too.. gotta keep the customers on their toes!

Shoot, yes. The user experience of logging in is the same, but yes- using a different (non-cc) harness bumps you up to the pay-per-token rates.

However! I have seen projects which use CC under the hood, in order to get the subsidized rates.

Writing comments which get me to go look through anthropic documentation, and find friction I wasnt aware of (CC does not have an app-server), refreshes my frustration towards anthropic.

Re: Feature Request: Support AGENTS.md

#69

Post by verdverm »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #41
areoform wrote: post #26

This reminds me of Reddit killing off third-party clients and Twitter doing the same. The decline wasn't immediately obvious at first, but it happened and it capped the growth trajectory of both. Twitter never grew as fast as it did during the third-party client and applications era. Reddit isn't adding meaningful, human-written content as fast as it was in that era. There's a lot more activity now, but based purely…

It sounds to me like you're describing enshittification. As coined by Cory Doctorow: > Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys (Although I'm not completely…

it's always been this way with Claude/Ant though, not something that changed

This is more SV modus operandi

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