Nothing surprising here. We sleep in cozy comfortable beds in a locked and secure location. Of course we'd can get int REM sleep. Compare to other primates who sleep outside with the critters and predators, deep sleep could mean the end of them.
Where Human Sleep Went Wrong
101–110 of 139 posts
Re: Where Human Sleep Went Wrong
#102A nap is the same as sleep, but we don't do this. Any correlation to our southern american friends and their siestas?
I tried to imitate japanese people in the public transport when i was there, meaning I managed to kinda sleep/nap with eyes closed for 10-15minutes between rides and it was astonishing. while I understand might be a more known thing, it was surprising to try it and feel very rested after that. I'm still surprised and I wonder why not the whole world does it. of course without the music at the stops would not be possi…
Re: Where Human Sleep Went Wrong
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
A single block of sleep is a relatively new behaviour, I suspect partially driven by the availability of cheap sources of light and heat. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220107-the-lost-medieva...
This is a contentious theory with little actual historical backing. Most likely people have been sleeping in one block since forever.
Re: Where Human Sleep Went Wrong
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
When statements like this are made usually it’s because studies would have been done comparing sleep depth at different temperatures and there would have been a statistically significant increase in sleep depth at 18 degrees Celsius in the tested group compared to groups sleeping at other temperatures. I have no idea if that was actually done here but that’s usually how these statements are justified. Of course we ar…
And every time I hear about an optimum, I think of the Bathtub Curve. As I imagine the curve, I use a real bathtub. Where is the water deepest? At the drain, which is typically just under the faucet. Where is the optimal place to sit? Well, pretty much anywhere except there, because "deepest" (an optimum) isn't enough to accurately gauge "best place". But even if you can swing the faucet out of the way... where is th…
Best sleep from my experience? It's usually about 5C at the thermostat, which is farthest from the window, by the time I wake up. And that's likely because it's in the basement, which is a typical NA basement, so you have the uninsulated and below the frost line basement wall there. The cold air coming in will be 0C and colder and I sleep next to the window. Winter is my happy sleep time.
Re: Where Human Sleep Went Wrong
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
A single block of sleep is a relatively new behaviour, I suspect partially driven by the availability of cheap sources of light and heat. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220107-the-lost-medieva...
This is a contentious theory with little actual historical backing. Most likely people have been sleeping in one block since forever.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S138994572...
Re: Where Human Sleep Went Wrong
#106Re: Where Human Sleep Went Wrong
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
And every time I hear about an optimum, I think of the Bathtub Curve. As I imagine the curve, I use a real bathtub. Where is the water deepest? At the drain, which is typically just under the faucet. Where is the optimal place to sit? Well, pretty much anywhere except there, because "deepest" (an optimum) isn't enough to accurately gauge "best place". But even if you can swing the faucet out of the way... where is th…
18C is more like the maximum OK temperature. But then I also gotta sleep without PJs when its that hot. Still a blanket for comfort. Best sleep from my experience? It's usually about 5C at the thermostat, which is farthest from the window, by the time I wake up. And that's likely because it's in the basement, which is a typical NA basement, so you have the uninsulated and below the frost line basement wall there. The…
And there are huge swaths of the world where the temperature basically never gets that low (18 C is the lowest temperature ever recorded in Kingston, Jamaica; 16 along the coast of west Africa, 18.9 in Jakarta). Even here in the southeastern US it is normal for temperatures to stay above 20 C at all times for three full months of the year (late June through early September).
Nothing wrong with liking to sleep in cold air, but it’s a preference.
Re: Where Human Sleep Went Wrong
#108"we’re the shortest sleeping primates, yet we pack in the most REM sleep relative to this short duration." Nothing surprising here. We sleep in cozy comfortable beds in a locked and secure location. Of course we'd can get int REM sleep. Compare to other primates who sleep outside with the critters and predators, deep sleep could mean the end of them.
1: https://www.healthline.com/health/how-much-deep-sleep-do-you... 2: https://www.health.harvard.edu/healthy-aging-and-longevity/r... 3: https://www.sleepfoundation.org/stages-of-sleep/rem-sleep
Re: Where Human Sleep Went Wrong
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
18C is more like the maximum OK temperature. But then I also gotta sleep without PJs when its that hot. Still a blanket for comfort. Best sleep from my experience? It's usually about 5C at the thermostat, which is farthest from the window, by the time I wake up. And that's likely because it's in the basement, which is a typical NA basement, so you have the uninsulated and below the frost line basement wall there. The…
If you are wearing clothing or any covering, clearly it isn’t your optimal temperature. I’m not trying to be glib here; I understand the appeal of being warm in a cool or even chilly room with air that keeps you from overheating. But that’s not sleeping at the optimal temperature; it’s choosing the sleeping setting you like. And there are huge swaths of the world where the temperature basically never gets that low (1…
I can be, actually want to be toasty warm under the blanket. But I want the air I am breathing to be fresh and cold. That is when I feel comfortable and "at peace".
I will often stick out my feet from under the blanket because it's way too toasty but the rest of my body needs to be warm.
Sure, when it's 25C I'll essentially just lay there without anything but a sheet across the chest to "feel safe" but anything else will just make me way too warm and the air I'm breathing will feel restricting.
What is really great in 25C+ temps is to be outside in a hammock without an underquilt, which cools things down considerably. But I've also slept comfortably at 0F (-18C) in a hammock. With two underquilts and a 0F sleeping bag as well as a winter tarp with doors and snow cover all around, weighing down the tarp sides (wind does suck at that temp ;)).
Re: Where Human Sleep Went Wrong
#110"we’re the shortest sleeping primates, yet we pack in the most REM sleep relative to this short duration." Nothing surprising here. We sleep in cozy comfortable beds in a locked and secure location. Of course we'd can get int REM sleep. Compare to other primates who sleep outside with the critters and predators, deep sleep could mean the end of them.
Where the sun doesn't go down every single day anyhow, and you may need to trudge across the tundra routinely for more than 24 hours at a stretch to get almost anywhere, without ever worrying about it at all.
Then they later came down and intermixed with (not) everyone else, so you never know who is going to be less tired than "normal" when they work a 36-hour day.