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Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe

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I hope we aren't on track for this future and if we are I hope a substantial number of people rebel. This is among the more hellish futures I can imagine. Our worth as people reduced to how much access we have to compute. Gross.

I hope not; there are a few assumptions in this future- the biggest one is - we will have to attain a baseline intelligence which is useful for everyone which is not true today. even fable fumbles hard!! second is that everyone will have to own a medium to use this intelligence (aka robots). like a currency is useless if you can't use it. to me this is the least daunting scenario. all other scenarios lead to mass sla…

> the biggest one is - we will have to attain a baseline intelligence which is useful for everyone which is not true today

That's not the biggest assumption.

The biggest assumption I see is that the population will have the baseline understanding of how to operate in this new paradigm, which seems impossible given how useless many people still are with computers

Incidentally, this is also why I think Bitcoin is such a non-starter for most people

Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe

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Curious on what OpenRouter's true moat is? It's just an LLM API routing framework, right?

OpenRouter is already the entrenched go-to router tbh. There's competitors (Vercel) but they're already well known. Stripe can also make them more competitive because they can waive / profit off the transaction cost. Considering stripe takes like a 3% fee, and the openrouter markup is 5%, that's a pretty big boost. Now is that enough revenue to earn back 7B.... I'm not too sure. I guess they're betting realy big that…

And trustedrouter which is a bit cheaper and more private

Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe

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Could someone explain why these routers are so valuable and pulling acquisitions in the billions?

I don’t understand it, but good for OpenRouter. Personally, I think OpenRouter’s value is somewhat perishable. In the early AI market where there are a jillion models and anew one every week, it’s great to be able to try them all without having to create accounts and keys for each one. OpenRouter, which I use, makes this easy for developers to do. Add some cost controls and other “management” knobs and it works great…

> As things settle down and commoditize, the value of switching on a dime diminishes as people lock into their favorite models

I can imagine just the opposite outcome from the same scenario: as people settle into their favorite but commoditized models, competition for marginal inference cost will take over. A company like OpenRouter that promises the cheapest tokens by the minute becomes essential on the low-cost margin.

I think that OpenRouter and equivalents get pushed out of the market only if the froth calms down (as you posit) and winning models stay proprietary, perhaps with their own unique API surfaces.

Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe

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I've seen three or four others building routers. How hard is that really? The folk I spoke to needed only a few millions to build it (they claim). I've seen prototype of some too that looked pretty simple. Maybe the whole thing is driven by enterprise wanting the external vendor support?

It's hard.

- They support 400 different models, 80 different providers, and an unlimited number of new custom agents. Every single model, provider, and agent, has its own weirdness that has to be accounted for. Tool calls change by model. Effort changes by model. Backend APIs (messages, responses, etc) change by provider. There are thousands of specific tweaks, fixes, hacks, that need to be implemented to make this thing "just work". And you have to keep updating it all, weekly.

- On top of that, they support providers running in multiple countries, which increases the legal, logistical, financial, and networking complexity.

- On top of that, they need to figure out pricing and deals with providers, and ensure the providers allocate the necessary networking and compute capacity. They need to work with providers directly to troubleshoot and fix all kinds of issues, from networking to application.

- On top of that, they implement multiple kinds of request routers. An auto router to route your request to the best general model, a fusion model to attempt the request on multiple models and pick the best response, a pareto router to route requests to the best coding model for your request.

- On top of that, they build custom features that businesses and users want, like Data Loss Prevention (which I'm blown away they actually provide for free). Lots of very useful business functionality for managing not only what model and provider to use, but also limits on usage, filters, etc. They also implement SSO, prompt injection guardrails, logging/auditing, workspaces, etc.

- On top of that, you have to be very good at just implementing HTTP APIs. Most people aren't good at it. API design is hard, HTTP is way more complicated than it seems, network traffic shaping is a black art.

- On top of that, running applications and infrastructure, and scaling it 10x every year, is a subtle yet critical skill. No matter how good your code is, it's pointless without working hardware/running apps.

- On top of that, they provide a generous free tier, which has to be subsidized, and is probably only partially subsidized by providers.

Why pay for this rather than build one? Because there's no sense in building one. There's a reason restaurants don't build their own factories to manufacture their own pots and pans. Their business isn't selling pots and pans, it's selling people cooked steak. It's a bad idea to waste time, effort, and money trying to make things you aren't going to sell.

Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe

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Curious on what OpenRouter's true moat is? It's just an LLM API routing framework, right?

Yeah, and Stripe is "just" a payments platform. Openrouter is easy, reliable and performant (like Stripe).

> Stripe is "just" a payments platform

Counterpoint: you can't just go to Visa/Mastercard or a merchant acquirer out there and set up an account on the same terms that Stripe can.

On the other hand, you can sign up to any LLM provider and get API access on terms that are the same or better (since I'm sure they don't appreciate having a middleman and would benefit from incentivizing direct usage) than OpenRouter gets.

Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe

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AI products are going to have to deal with accounting. An agent performs some work. It uses some models and perhaps some other metered services. Someone has to meter that activity. They have to attribute costs, apply the product's pricing rules, bill the customer, collect, reconcile with vendors, and maintain the ledger.

Stripe can use OpenRouter to build the financial and accounting infrastructure for every product that sells metered AI work.

I think the analogy is ADP. Payroll for all the work that's going to be done by AI agents.

Re: OpenRouter is joining Stripe

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I've seen three or four others building routers. How hard is that really? The folk I spoke to needed only a few millions to build it (they claim). I've seen prototype of some too that looked pretty simple. Maybe the whole thing is driven by enterprise wanting the external vendor support?

The software is "easy", it's the business and operations that are hard: scaling the infrastructure reliably; finding revenue sources with secure margins; deflecting regulatory and risks responsibility; billing and collecting on massive low-margin high-volume transactions; enterprise sales; etc

It's a business line more suited to finance, law, sales, and accounting people than tech people and a pretty laborious one. That's often the case when the tech looks "easy" but the sector only seems to have a few big winners.

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