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Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by SoftTalker »

embedding-shape wrote: post #230
LarryDarrell wrote: post #155

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I knew it would be their higher end devices but I really wish they would have put it on their lower end as well. I have a Moto G running LineageOS and it's my favorite phone ever. The ability to have my 800GB of music synced to a sdcard is something I'm loath to give up.

I had Motorola Moto Gs all from the first generation to the fifth or sixth, cheap and worked great, had everything one could wish for in a daily smartphone. But eventually they too started growing in size, and so I got an iPhone 12 Mini instead, that I still use to this day. I'm currently hoping I'll find something released in 2025+ that is the same size as the Mini or the old Moto Gs, but they are nowhere to be foun…

Pretty much the same story. I am hoping my iPhone 12 lasts until I retire and I won't need to carry a smartphone anymore.

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Post by jorvi »

felooboolooomba wrote: post #55

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Google hasn't been able to properly do / fix Android gesture navigation for more than half a decade now. The amount that edge swipes in things like photo editing apps are detected as backswipes (sometimes destroying 10+ minutes of editing) is laughable.

Technically this is because a lot of apps thumb their nose at the requirement to have safe areas around swipeable elements in their app, but as a user, that is not my problem to fix. It's Google's.

The workaround is so ridiculously easy too: only allow backswipes to count in the lowest 15% of the bottom left of the screen. Yet despite having hundreds of engineers earning ±350.000 per year work on this problem for years, they haven't been able to either implement or even think of it.

The real fix would be to deprecate the three button layout in Android 18 and remove it in Android 19. Force apps to comply.

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Post by tfrancisl »

gf000 wrote: post #216
post-it wrote: post #60

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Because you don't have capital.

well, apparently not even Microsoft had enough capital. It's almost like the free market only works when we have well-defined and regulated markets . This has been known by Adam Smith and quite logical, yet people expect Google and Apple giga-corporations with monopolies to somehow abide by the laws of selling grains on the market.

"Trust me guys, the free market will work, it's just that no-one ever earnestly tried it before!!"

No. This is the end state of any semblance of laissez-faire economics. Full stop. Massive accumulation at the top, power to those with capital, rags for the poorest.

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Post by bornfreddy »

imkac wrote: post #138
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #72

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> All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. We have waydroid for that. > You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. Unless of course it uses those stupid integrity apis to block anything that isn't stock.

Porting traditional Linux desktop distributions to Android devices is meaningless, all you get is more instability, more unsafe and more trouble. Waydroid is a bad implementation on security and compatibility, just running Android in VM is better.

There are other reasons for porting, like control over your own device.

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Post by realusername »

imthatsteve wrote: post #136
realusername wrote: post #94

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You can't because a lot of apps check that the phone is controlled by Google with Play Integrity. Google thought about this, don't worry. They learned their lesson after CyanogenMod tried to compete by offering an alternative. Non-Google Android are now dead except in China.

CyanogenMod became LineageOS and its still going strong, im typing this on an unofficial lineageOS build right now.

It still exists yes but Google tightened the screws to make sure it just keeps to be an hobbist project and not a competitor

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Post by saidinesh5 »

dotancohen wrote: post #184
saidinesh5 wrote: post #57

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The bank website typically needs the app to enable two factor authentication in a lot of places. For eg. There's no browser based alternative to make UPI payments that i know of.

How about for clients with no smartphones?

You're basically out of luck. This is happening all over the world these days with various government services.

It's not just for clients with no smart phones. It's also clients who activate developer mode on their smartphone etc... clients who use VPN. Clients who run AdBlocker. Clients who use Firefox.

There needs to be a severe push back against this.

Things have gotten so crazy that the homeless here are walking around with QR codes printed out when begging for money. I'm guessing they're a network of people who share the same smartphone/payment method..

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Post by eltondegeneres »

felooboolooomba wrote: post #55

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And you have to fill out a Google Form to get that link in the first place.

> I just want to get rid of forms. Like, I never want to fill out a form again.

The opening line from this interview with Sameer Samat on the Google for Developers YouTube channel in June.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvVsdZL2ogY

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Post by xnickb »

protimewaster wrote: post #113
xnickb wrote: post #67

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Some (European) banks/healthcare apps block GOS and require stock android. Just saying

I wonder if practices will change any of there's ever a device that ships with GOS. Right now, many companies are happy to shrug off GOS, because they don't support "modified devices". If any of the Motorola devices have GOS as a pre-installed option, now the companies don't have the excuse that the device is modified. I'm guessing the companies will continue to be difficult, but it'll be amusing to watch, at least.

I highly doubt companies who did that reasoned out of supporting GOS, so I'd be surprised of they reason back in.

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Post by xnickb »

drnick1 wrote: post #177
xnickb wrote: post #67

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Some (European) banks/healthcare apps block GOS and require stock android. Just saying

What is the point of apps for these things in particular? I understand that some banks require an app for 2FA, but I don't see why anyone would want some invasive healthcare app on their phone.

It's not invasive generally speaking. My healthcare provider allows me to access e-perscriptions via the app. But for that there are certain security requirements which this particular Healthcare provider equated to "Android good, GOS bad"
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