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Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by inigyou »

tfrancisl wrote: post #45
inigyou wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank? Assuming my bank is one of the ones that requires you to lock down sideloading (they aren't, but i know many are).

The 2FA code you need to get from the phone app to log in on a desktop. It isn't 2005 any more.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by ledoge »

unfocso wrote: post #10

A year ago or so, the ThinkPhone 23 (Snapdragon 8, 2023, a weird "flagship") was available for 229€ new on various retail stores. The phone also supports Mobian/PostmarketOS and the bootloader is unlockable with no adverse effects. Out of nowhere, it received (along with other older phones) updates up to Android 16. I wouldn't be surprised if the "sudden" update was just a side effect of Motorola preparing for Graphe…

No current Motorola phones meet their hardware requirements. 2027 flagship models will be the first to be supported.

https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2058730195041812839

https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2064124713501163912

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by StrLght »

tfrancisl wrote: post #25

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

AOSP is Linux.

If by "mainstream" Linux you mean something like postmarketOS, I'd suggest you look up reviews or give it a try yourself. A few months ago, people were reporting a hard time placing a call, taking a photo, etc.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by Yeroc »

tfrancisl wrote: post #45
inigyou wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank? Assuming my bank is one of the ones that requires you to lock down sideloading (they aren't, but i know many are).

The websites don't have feature parity with the apps these days. Things like being able to deposit a cheque aren't available among other things.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by jorvi »

Gigachad wrote: post #28
tfrancisl wrote: post #25

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

Because you need app support. Not even Microsoft could pull that off.

You mean Microsoft proactively kept shooting devs in the kneecaps?

Leaving phones behind on old incompatible OS versions 2 times in 3 years and switching app frameworks 3 times in 4 years does not a good app developer experience make.

Piled on top of that, Google became actively hostile to 3rd party developers building support for YouTube (and Gmail and Gmaps, but those had workarounds / alternatives).

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by saidinesh5 »

tfrancisl wrote: post #45
inigyou wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank? Assuming my bank is one of the ones that requires you to lock down sideloading (they aren't, but i know many are).

The bank website typically needs the app to enable two factor authentication in a lot of places.

For eg. There's no browser based alternative to make UPI payments that i know of.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by QwenGlazer9000 »

tfrancisl wrote: post #25

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

Everyone else mentioned the app support which is true, but for graphene specifically, they do not like desktop Linux at all because they don't like its security. They would much rather build on AOSP than desktop linux.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by hypfer »

inigyou wrote: post #42
hypfer wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't "ban" them, but they did enable some attestation feature that effectively "bans" anything that isn't Google Android. Which still makes you wonder why Volkswagen is so keen on alienating what little is left of their customer base with completely stupid security theater.

Because the EU is run by lawyers and lawsuits. They probably decided there was a risk of being sued for insufficient security if they didn't enable every security feature, and they considered it as zero impact to customers because nobody uses graphene.

Yes, but that is still very confusing to me, because you're not paying other people money so that they just follow incentives without thinking, vision or backbone.

The whole idea of buying something is giving people money for their (assumed correct) judgement, which then leads to desired artifacts downstream.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by post-it »

geremiiah wrote: post #38
tfrancisl wrote: post #25

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

I don't either. Don't we have free market capitalism? Why don't I have a Linux phone? And why do I need to worry that my government and banking apps won't work if I get a Linux phone?

Because you don't have capital.
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