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Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by owaislone »

tfrancisl wrote: post #45
inigyou wrote: post #36

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All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

What's stopping me from using a browser to log in to my bank? Assuming my bank is one of the ones that requires you to lock down sideloading (they aren't, but i know many are).

Nothing is stopping you. You're free to use a desktop web app that either doesn't work or is terribly slow or has limited features on a mobile web browser. I'd love it if all apps were PWAs but that is not the case.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by steve_taylor »

RobotToaster wrote: post #87
J-Kuhn wrote: post #71

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Yeah, its the "well, legally, we have to provide the source code, but we make it as painful and slow for you as we can without it becoming a blatant violation of the GPL."

Not quite, they could make you request it by post and send it on a stack of floppies.

Sounds like a cheap way to get my hands on some floppies.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by realusername »

nextaccountic wrote: post #40
Gigachad wrote: post #28

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Because you need app support. Not even Microsoft could pull that off.

What about running the whole Android infrastructure, but on top of a non-Android Linux distro? And this, on top of a Android kernel (otherwise you won't have the drivers yo uneed) The advantage being, we can manage packages using a regular Linux distro

You can't because a lot of apps check that the phone is controlled by Google with Play Integrity.

Google thought about this, don't worry. They learned their lesson after CyanogenMod tried to compete by offering an alternative. Non-Google Android are now dead except in China.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by dwedge »

inigyou wrote: post #47
dwedge wrote: post #18

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I ran Graphene without a Sim card for 2 months and as soon as I added a Sim card (with of course, difficult to vet networking) the phone is always hot and the battery life reduced by half. Might be a coincidence but also made me rethink how I feel about Graphene

How many apps have network permission? Did you install anything from the play store at all? As a rule of thumb, the play store and everything on it is spyware. I had the opposite experience. I was pleasantly surprised by the battery life you can get when your phone isn't full of shitware apps and even when you do install shitware, the OS helps you confine it.

It happens in every profile. Only one has the play store and is rarely used, doesn't run in the background

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by gunalx »

xnickb wrote: post #67
inigyou wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the existing apps are on Android and iOS. Graphene lets you run them. You can't have a bank account on a Linux phone* because they won't let you, but you can on Android including on Graphene. * before replying snarkily that Android is Linux, please take a long walk off a short pier, thanks

Some (European) banks/healthcare apps block GOS and require stock android. Just saying

Yep. Had to change banks because of my old one suddenly dropping grapheme support by adding stupid attestation mechanics.

They surely must have gotten feedback from me and others because the next update it worked again. But I and probably others where already a lost customer.

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by afiori »

steve_taylor wrote: post #92
RobotToaster wrote: post #87

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Not quite, they could make you request it by post and send it on a stack of floppies.

Sounds like a cheap way to get my hands on some floppies.

you are right a stack of printed qr codes is better

Re: Devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027

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Post by gunalx »

owaislone wrote: post #89
tfrancisl wrote: post #25

I've never really understood why we chase Android-alikes on mobile platforms instead of trying to build on mainstream Linux. I know some folks in the nix community (nix-on-droid and other projects) have tried to bring us closer to this, but projects like Graphene seem to have a lot of traction.

Apps. We'd love a completely different OS and it is viable on desktop because web almost does everything but on mobile you're basically locked out of very essential functionality like banking, transit, messaging etc. The compatibility layers aren't good enough (yet) to offer a seamless experience.

Also almost any native desktop app forced to mobile has broken ux.
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