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Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by scorpioxy »

qurren wrote: post #319
mschild wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would they? Cartels aren't known for massively increasing production to satisfy all demand. Far from it I'd say, they're more likely to expand supply to such a level that they can still reap massive profits. Very few countries/companies have the knowhow and willingness to be able to build more. OPEC is a perfect example of this behaviour. They set hearly production goals to keep prices high. Or the Quebec Maple Syrup…

> Quebec Maple Syrup Producers organization Can you just not join the organization? Maple trees are living things and have a right to reproduce, you can't fault a bird for shitting maple seeds all over my farm planting maple trees everywhere.

I saw a documentary(forgot the name, sorry) about that that said, no you can't choose not to join. I forgot if it was about this organization but it was about maple production in Canada where a farmer wanted to do their own thing and they were intimidated and all sorts of nasty things happen to them because they didn't think the org was just and wanted to sell freely. Very interesting documentary and an eye opener that even farmer unions can act like organized crime when there's money involved.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by baby_souffle »

qurren wrote: post #319
mschild wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would they? Cartels aren't known for massively increasing production to satisfy all demand. Far from it I'd say, they're more likely to expand supply to such a level that they can still reap massive profits. Very few countries/companies have the knowhow and willingness to be able to build more. OPEC is a perfect example of this behaviour. They set hearly production goals to keep prices high. Or the Quebec Maple Syrup…

> Quebec Maple Syrup Producers organization Can you just not join the organization? Maple trees are living things and have a right to reproduce, you can't fault a bird for shitting maple seeds all over my farm planting maple trees everywhere.

> you can't fault a bird for shitting maple seeds all over my farm planting maple trees everywhere.

If only building a ram FAB was that easy :).

The best hope is that cxmt gets going quicker than expected and is able to satisfy a decent chunk of the Chinese demand for RAM which would - in theory - reduce the demand for ram from the few other producers.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by ashdksnndck »

elictronic wrote: post #248
florakel wrote: post #134

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Can you provide evidence for your claim? Most people take this statement at face value and I don’t understand why. I do some volunteer work supporting elderly people that have issues adapting to a digital only world and I am always pleasantly surprised by the performance of their old iPhones all the way down to the 8 (old phones they get from their kids) Also the coming iOS 27 release supposedly has some big performa…

Apple is still paying out the 500 million dollars they lost in a lawsuit about this exact practice. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67911517

Apple admitted to slowing down iPhones to keep the batteries from failing, and agreed to stop doing it and created a new battery replacement plan. I’ve personally experienced the benefit of getting the battery on Apple devices replaced which made them behave like new again. There’s a reason old Apple devices hold their value a lot better than competing manufacturers.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by mediaman »

robmccoll wrote: post #369

Just had an HDD in my array die. Thought I'd replace it and add another spare. The prices are up 300% from 2 years ago. For spinning disks. Why?

My theory is demand substitution. NVME/SSD is up so much people at the margin are switching to spinning rust, which nobody was prepared for, so now they too are drowning in demand.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by abeppu »

So the 1970s oil crisis caused a shift that included fuel efficiency rules. For like, the whole time I've been a software engineer, memory footprints of a lot of software have crept up, even when they aren't really doing more.

The memory situation currently is a mess. But ... is it bad enough to get us to _change_ how we build?

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by Balooga »

datakan wrote: post #28
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #3

The situation is absolutely awful for anybody who needs significant memory or storage (or devices incorporating such). Even people who think they have enough for the next few years already could end up with an unpleasant surprise if they e.g. have a stick or two of RAM go bad or a GPU fry. I have a few machines with aging sticks that I'm hoping will manage to hold out until when/if things improve.

I'm saving a ton of money by simply not upgrading. I used to do upgrades every 1-2 years just to keep up on things, pass the old box down to my son or otherwise donate it. Now I intend to keep my current setup for 7+ years. Its 2 years old next month. I may even stay with it longer. I just see no reason to upgrade with things how they are. I considered a Mac Studio a couple months ago. Price was up but might have pul…

I run Qwen 3.8 at just under 2 tokens/second on a Mac Pro 2013. Why? Because I walked 8 miles to school in the snow, uphill both directions, every day.

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Post by HDBaseT »

georgefrowny wrote: post #292
fhars wrote: post #159

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DDR4, and from some comments I have seen around here of only marginally acceptable reliability. It may still take a few years if until they have all the production processes fully under control.

I thought CXMT is selling DDR5 now?

They are, I have some in my system. They are fairly common in Australia.

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by sheeshkebab »

abeppu wrote: post #375

So the 1970s oil crisis caused a shift that included fuel efficiency rules. For like, the whole time I've been a software engineer, memory footprints of a lot of software have crept up, even when they aren't really doing more. The memory situation currently is a mess. But ... is it bad enough to get us to _change_ how we build?

llms make it trivial writing code in rust, without even knowing rust. There is hope…

Re: Memory prices climb 500% in 12 months

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Post by LetsGetTechnicl »

robmccoll wrote: post #369

Just had an HDD in my array die. Thought I'd replace it and add another spare. The prices are up 300% from 2 years ago. For spinning disks. Why?

I've resorted to buying refurb HDD's for my NAS (which I backup to rsync.net) but like damn!
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