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Re: Adafruit CEO Limor Fried named Entrepreneur magazine Entrepreneur of 2012

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Am I the only one who finds the 'maker movement' slightly embarrassing. There are plenty of us before Limor who did the same stuff without the fanfare and movement crap. This isn't a flame - I'm just surprised that the application of spin managed to produce such a ton of noise.

When I was in high school I joined the Amateur Radio club, I built a radio from a kit that we purchased from a company called Heathkit, I talked to high school students in Vancouver Canada and Hawaii and Texas and Puerto Rico on that radio, for 'free' with no Internet. I say all that not to brag but to relate how it changed me. I went from a kid living in what was the small town of Las Vegas to talking to people all over the place with a piece of gear I built from parts. That changed my thinking permanently from "people could build something to do ..." to "I could build something to do ..."

I was truly sad that as my kids were growing up the world was actively conspiring to keep the knowledge about how things work away from them. In the US at least there is a tremendous amount of narrative that rides along on the 'don't try this at home' meme. Silly stuff like learning to build campfires and sharpen a pocket knife, and stuff like changing the timing of your vehicle's ignition. The problem with that is that kids believe it. They start believing its somebody else's job to invent the new things, to think outside the box, and to do stuff.

Into that sadness walked folks who said "You know, I'm going to make stuff you can tinker with." "I'm going to sell kits for people to make silly things and amazing things and I'm going to provide all the information they need to modify or improve or destroy them." They needed a word for people who did stuff like that. "Do-er" never caught on, "Hobbyist" was to generic, "Hacker" got sideswiped by the media, "Nerd" and "Geek" were epithets, so somebody started calling these folks "Makers" in the sense that they made things. And its wonderfully non-specific so people who "make" fabric are just as much makers and people who "make" technology gizmos.

Over the last 10 years the pendulum has swung back a bit and folks like Limor have helped that effort. That folks would embrace that and push back against those who would protect the status quo of not letting you know how things work, sometimes it requires a noisy and brash "movement."

People are much more motivated when they are told "No you can't know that" it seems.

Re: Adafruit CEO Limor Fried named Entrepreneur magazine Entrepreneur of 2012

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> The problem is no-one knows how to use the parts unless they are assembled into kits. Huh? If anything, in the good old days , there were WAY more kits than there are today. Besides that, hobby electronics has a long history of doing stuff like "Here's a schematic, here's a BOM, and here's a paragraph on the 'theory of operation' that assumes a solid understanding of electronics and a bunch of domain-specific stuff…

I think there are more kits now. There used to be kits for oscilloscopes, test equipment etc. Now these are black boxes, some of which are a joke. We had something better than stack exchange - we got an electronics book and a maths book out of the local library and studied it, understood it and developed mental models, rather than expecting a canned answer to plug in somewhere. And yes I have scars from ferric chlori…

  >  studied it, understood it
So everything studied is instantly understood? People have no need to ask questions? Have mentors?

Sure, some people are looking to plug-and-play answers, but that will always be the case. You can't solve that by telling the kids to 'get off your lawn.'

Re: Adafruit CEO Limor Fried named Entrepreneur magazine Entrepreneur of 2012

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> Yeah I actually designed two kits for maplin in the 90s before they started shipping velleman shit and containers full of Chinese plastic crap. Sounds like you're actually embarrassed that she succeeded where you did not. > It's turned engineering into painting by numbers powered by social hype. Like the iPad is "just" a big iPhone. Most people who benefit from these sorts of products don't have a firm grasp of mat…

Most people who benefit from these sorts of products don't have a firm grasp of math and engineering to start with. Our education sucks in the US. Giving them a helping hand is a terrific way to swell the ranks of STEM professionals and introduce people to solving problems they would never have considered otherwise. Just teach them engineering! Not pussy foot around and molly coddle them.

Most people will balk at that though. They may not balk at a noisemaker kit, or a build-your-own-universal remote.

Re: Adafruit CEO Limor Fried named Entrepreneur magazine Entrepreneur of 2012

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Yeah, there are a ton of us old farts that have been sniffing solder flumes and flipping switches for years. :) Adafruit and newer companies of this ilk fill a need for us oldtimers and the newcomers. Many of my old sources of various parts and kits are dead, evolved or just didn't handle the transition to the internet well.

The kits didn't survive, but the parts did. The problem is no-one knows how to use the parts unless they are assembled into kits. The whole maker movement solves this by making kits, therefore raising the bedrock abstraction for knowledge way too high. The better solution would be to teach people how to use the parts, which is my problem.

"The problem is no-one knows how to use the parts unless they are assembled into kits."

You're making a big assumption. Not everybody has the time to design, source and test a complex system from the component level. (Nor do programmers drop down to the machine code level for every project.) Many kit builders have the background, but still must juggle other priorities in their life.

Ideally folks should learn what's going on at the component level. With the free resources available online, that's easier than in the past. But no one should be forced to go through Boylestad or NEET just to play with a LED.

Re: Adafruit CEO Limor Fried named Entrepreneur magazine Entrepreneur of 2012

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I first met Ada at the Boston 2600 meetup in Harvard Sq in 1992. I think she was 14. Deth Veggie from Cult of the Dead Cow introduced her to me. He said he could tell she was going to amount to something big. Heh. Congrats Ada!

I've never met her.

Re: Adafruit CEO Limor Fried named Entrepreneur magazine Entrepreneur of 2012

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post #5

Am I the only one who finds the 'maker movement' slightly embarrassing. There are plenty of us before Limor who did the same stuff without the fanfare and movement crap. This isn't a flame - I'm just surprised that the application of spin managed to produce such a ton of noise.

Judging from the comments, yes, you are.

Re: Adafruit CEO Limor Fried named Entrepreneur magazine Entrepreneur of 2012

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You're embarrassed by a successful entrepreneur? Can you explain to me what is embarrassing to you? Is it the making money part? Is it the understanding a market and serving it part? Is it the education and knowledge sharing to better energize and expand the market part? Is it the persistence, perseverance and timing part? Is it the creation of a legion of folks who never would have participated had they not been giv…

Yes I will. I find it embarrassing in the same way as I find computer science portrayals in movies embarrassing. Hax0r the planet etc... Making money - selling overpriced modules and branded crap for way more than marginal profit (compared to say RS/Farnell/Digikey) and shipping an identity rather than tools to solve problems. Understanding the market - actually they created a new market full of flashing LED cube mac…

It's totally unfair to compare margins between gigantic wholesalers and some small hobby kit seller.

Building for entertainment isn't useless or somehow less important than making useful tools to solve problems. Remember what fun was like? Some people enjoy making simple toys.

Re: Adafruit CEO Limor Fried named Entrepreneur magazine Entrepreneur of 2012

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, there are a ton of us old farts that have been sniffing solder flumes and flipping switches for years. :) Adafruit and newer companies of this ilk fill a need for us oldtimers and the newcomers. Many of my old sources of various parts and kits are dead, evolved or just didn't handle the transition to the internet well.

The kits didn't survive, but the parts did. The problem is no-one knows how to use the parts unless they are assembled into kits. The whole maker movement solves this by making kits, therefore raising the bedrock abstraction for knowledge way too high. The better solution would be to teach people how to use the parts, which is my problem.

Capacity for understanding isn't a limited pool. If people get excited programming micro-controllers let them. They really don't need to learn to build such a thing.

Should all programmers learn assembly? Sure. Should all programmers be forced to learn assembly before anything else? No.

Re: Adafruit CEO Limor Fried named Entrepreneur magazine Entrepreneur of 2012

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Well done! I've enjoyed putting together a few of the kits from Adafruit. My favorite (not the most technically challenging) is definitely the "tv-b-gone". Taking that thing into a bar in my college town has provided a lot of laughs. There maybe some room to be critical towards the fan fare of the maker movement, but all in all it's a positive step towards individuals becoming interested in science/technology.

While sold by Adafruit (among others), the TV-B-Gone was designed by Mitch Altman [1], who's as cool a frood as can be.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Altman

Re: Adafruit CEO Limor Fried named Entrepreneur magazine Entrepreneur of 2012

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post #5

Am I the only one who finds the 'maker movement' slightly embarrassing. There are plenty of us before Limor who did the same stuff without the fanfare and movement crap. This isn't a flame - I'm just surprised that the application of spin managed to produce such a ton of noise.

There's a great deal of value in popularizing, mass producing, and otherwise making technology accessible to the general public. And it's real work, too - it's just not the strictly technical stuff we all love, but solving other problems like organization, publicity, fundraising, etc. etc. Presumably that's why her award is "Entrepreneur of the Year" and not "Circuit Hacker of the Year". IMO it's worthy of celebration.
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