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Post by boxed »

arbitrary_name wrote: post #627
boxed wrote: post #587

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don't be ridiculous. feel free to point to Democrats with clear evidence of anyi semitic statements and connections to right wing nationalists. then let's tally up the same count for the GOP eh (Nock Fuentes at the white house, "you shall not replace us", etc). There is very little jew hatred on the left. just fatogue with unlimited aupport for a Israeli regime that is losing democratic and moral support due to it's.…

> evidence of anyi semitic statements and connections to right wing nationalists

Why the "and" there? The anti-semites on the left are of course... of the left.

> There is very little jew hatred on the left

Your head is in the sand. Leftists on the street shouting genocide of the jews ("from the river to the sea") is like a monthly thing. They started before Israel entered Gaza. Before.

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Post by alt227 »

js8 wrote: post #376
zombot wrote: post #316

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It doesn't scale as a consumer good. Letting go of consumerist habits is just as hard as breaking any other habit. Also, it could just as easily be faked, like so much else. Even if someone offered such an assurance, I wouldn't trust random strangers on the internet. At best it would become an arms race between "this is not a real person" and those who sell fake assurances. And it would be one more weapon to damage a…

I am not really sure how it could be faked. The fake assurance, in order to work, must be connected to you. By default you could choose not to trust. If you don't trust random strangers it's OK. So I don't see how it would damage someone's reputation worse than today. It would potentially only add trust. Arguably, today we have bots because we have no other option than to trust without justification. With the public…

So what happens when people are paid or otherwise incentivised to 'trust'?

This model was used in the beginning of the web, where links to your site from a well trusted website would increase the score and therefore SEO of your own site. This very quickly turned into a business of people selling hidden paid site links, and evolved into the paid editorial model we see on every news site today.

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Post by dragonwriter »

jameshilliard wrote: post #708
forestrywat wrote: post #598

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You can defend yourself without genocide. You can imprison people without raping them. It turns out there's more options between give up and scorched earth.

> You can defend yourself without genocide. People also need to stop conflating a war with genocide.

No one is comflating war with genocide, but people need to stop pretending that the existence of a war contradicts the existence of a genocide.

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Post by frollogaston »

eclips0 wrote: post #467
username_my1 wrote: post #453

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No one is doing it as much as Israel does, Russia's influence campaigns are well documented, often weak, lack the "forcefulness" you see when it comes to Israel. The thing is that messaging from Russia, China, Arab countries ... have to be very subtle else it's visible and immediately gets called out. Israel on the other hand sees itself as part of the collective west and think they have the right to be as laud as th…

> "No one is doing it as much as Israel does" How could you possibly know that? Do you have any numbers that put Israel's efforts into perspective, compared to those of other countries? This is not a good faith argument whatsoever.

I know for one that Israeli lobbying groups in the US don't have to register as foreign agents, because they're technically run and funded by American citizens (often with dual Israel citizenship). Taking orders from Israeli officials doesn't change their standing because they have enough plausible deniability. If you can find a Russian counterpart to this with comparable funding or influence here, please show it.

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Post by megous »

yonixw wrote: post #560
megous wrote: post #495

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There's also supposed "UN watch" which is another innocuous looking Israeli front meant to sow confusion into decades long UN's attemmpts to deal with the mess jewish terror gangs in Palestine created by stealing massive amount of land from Palestinians in 1947-48 for their bigoted state project.

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Jews owned miniscule amount of land before deciding to steal the rest. 1624 km2 or around 6% of total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine#Land_owner...

Just because you're running from war or genocide does not give you any rights elsewhere. Also in 47' jews were not running from anything but poverty and fears of the future. There was no genocide anymore.

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Post by frollogaston »

js8 wrote: post #306

I don't understand why people who don't like fake news and manipulation won't embrace the social graph as a public good. If enough people were willing to publicly certify that their fellow contacts are human, anybody could then assign trust to each social graph node based on the trust they have in the path to them. It would completely decentralize the algorithms and remove the fake accounts as less trustworthy. I thi…

They do. It's already like this with business recommendations, always use a personal reference before anything else.

I've thought about making some digital reputation system that cannot be gamed. You can rep people you know and then query if there's any path of rep from you to a random person. The global number of reps you have doesn't matter, only paths. Problem is this only works if the target person can't tell that you repped them, which is impossible to hide because they can just rep you with a fake account then see if there's a path to their real account. But maybe with some fuzzing.

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Post by frollogaston »

grokcodec wrote: post #582

Something to keep in mind - responsiblestatecraft.org is published by the Quincy Institue, considered by many to be a de-facto lobbying group for the Islamic Republic of Iran. Here is one data point: https://quillette.com/2024/06/20/the-quincy-institute-middle...

Post from an exec of that group, Trita Parsi: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tritaparsi_this-image-was-sen...

I don't take any issue with this pic if it's real, but it seems either fake or not from where he claims. So it's hard to take that org seriously. And yeah tbh that last name makes me take a second look.

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Post by jameshilliard »

dragonwriter wrote: post #704
jameshilliard wrote: post #693

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> If you think having a particular ethnicity in charge is equivalent to endorsing genocide, you miiiiiight be a little bit racist. The democratically elected government of the Palestinians in Gaza(Hamas) has for a long time quite openly advocated for effectively genocide Jews/Israeli's, it's not racist to simply believe that Hamas is telling the truth in regards to what their end goals are.

> The democratically elected government of the Palestinians in Gaza There's no such thing: the separate authority in Gaza was produced by Israeli military isolation of the separate parts of Palestine nominally administered by the PA, and how that facilitated Hamas local victory there in the intra-Palestinian civil war against the central government. Also, the elections that were won by Hamas candidates before that we…

> There's no such thing: the separate authority in Gaza was produced by Israeli military isolation of the separate parts of Palestine nominally administered by the PA, and how that facilitated Hamas local victory there in the intra-Palestinian civil war against the central government.

The election that brought Hamas to power in Gaza was widely considered to be free and fair.[0]

> Also, the elections that were won by Hamas candidates before that were before most currently living Gazans were born, much less eligible to vote, and subsequent elections have not been held because Israel blocked the all-Palestine elections agreed to by Hamas and Fatah, so even if the “government of Palestinians in Gaza” were simply a direct result of those elections, which it is not, it would hardly be the “democratically elected” by those currently governed.

And yet polling indicates if another vote was held Hamas would likely still win, in both Gaza and the West Bank, so it's essentially a moot point. It's not just Israel that has blocked elections, Fatah has also not wanted elections because they know they would lose. The problem is that Palestinians have in reality largely supported extremists far more than moderates, that may change but reducing Palestinian support for extremism is ultimately what needs to change for there to be a chance at having some long term peace agreement.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e...

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Post by jameshilliard »

dragonwriter wrote: post #713
jameshilliard wrote: post #708

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> You can defend yourself without genocide. People also need to stop conflating a war with genocide.

No one is comflating war with genocide, but people need to stop pretending that the existence of a war contradicts the existence of a genocide.

> No one is comflating war with genocide

Anyone claiming Israel is committing genocide is quite obviously conflating the two.

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