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GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by swingboy »

cgannett wrote: post #101
jchw wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Fable's dominance is overstated. It definitely has the lead, but quantifying what that lead actually is is really hard. I'm using GPT 5.6 Sol to do some shit that I personally would consider "crazy" - low level undocumented hardware driver alchemy, reverse engineering highly obfuscated code, even a bit of screwing around with a rendering engine in Vulkan, really just about the most complex tasks I can get any…

And Mai-Code-1.1-Flash seems like a really good cooperative player to GPT 5.6 Sol. You get Sol to help you make a detailed plan, and Mai codes it up and you can get pretty decent code out the other end without too many tokens if you are careful.

How detailed of a plan? Are you including code snippets or just behavior and letting the lesser model decide how to implement?

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by krull10 »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #131
andrewingram wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used Sol to extract the remaining decryption keys from the Super Mario Maker 2 (Switch) game files. Someone had previously extracted all the keys from the original release, but not any of the new ones from updates. Not only did it succeed, but it helped me understand the data sufficiently to add support for “Super World” rendering to my level viewer (which I made back in 2021), eg the little widget at the top of ht…

Fable is almost unusable for anything but super boring mainstream stuff. I was getting safeguard flagged so often I’ve significantly reduced my usage out of fear they will blacklist/ban me. Some of the topics it’s flagged have been hard for me to understand what it seeing that can be remotely concerning in my requests.

I cancelled my Claude max subscription. Somehow every query I sent was flagged as bio or chem, even pure mathematics questions. Not going to waste money paying for a “max” subscription that won’t ever let me use the top tier model…

Sol is great and has never blocked a request, and generally gives great answers. Happily switched over to it now.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by 63stack »

jaggederest wrote: post #53
jm4 wrote: post #25

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I can’t sign up for that. I tried authorizing Codex a couple days ago. For some reason, their system says my phone number has been used for verification 3 times even though it definitely has not. I’ve had this phone number for over 20 years. OpenAI support is useless. They just keep repeating the policy without actually helping me.

Get a burner and use it? If you're spending $200/mo on something, $40 or whatever for a burner phone seems like a pretty cheap price.

Oh no fuck that, business 101 is make sure that your checkout page works. There is plenty of competition in this sector, take your money elsewhere.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by ywvcbk »

pimeys wrote: post #278

The competition is real in pricing. Thanks for the Chinese open models, US big players have to cut their inference pricing. We've done a bunch of evals between the models, and Kimi K3 was the first one that actually could compete or be even better than Opus or Sol in our use cases, with a fraction of the price. All our developers use K3 as their programming model, and it now powers a big part of our systems instead o…

> Opus or Sol in our use cases, with a fraction of the price.

I assume it's highly use case dependent, though?

Even before the price cut seems like Sol was price competitive with Kimi

https://artificialanalysis.ai/models?models=gpt-5-6-sol-xhig...

And now it should be considerably cheaper

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by jeffybefffy519 »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #133
jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #132

Reading the comments in this thread, i honestly dont get it. 5.6-sol has felt like a regression in capability. In fact, every model since 5.3-codex has been a regression from OpenAI. I just find 5.6-Sol over engineers problems, takes absolutely ages to solve basic problems.... At this point, I'm considering going back to cursor over codex due to the ability to get more control over what model I use since there is cle…

its over engineered problem solver ???? well because its a designed to do that if you want to solve basic problem then use Luna

I mean it added additional changes when it doesnt need to. Its basically hallucinating changes it thinks it needs to make regardless of effort levels i try.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by Razengan »

nozzlegear wrote: post #151
Razengan wrote: post #40

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I recently tried Claude again after several months, to see if it was any better at something Codex has been struggling with… They STILL don't have an option to "Sign in with Apple" on the website, but they do for Google??!? (and on iPhone of course) Screw that asinine UX (and no it wasn't better than Codex at this particular task)

That was an issue at least a year ago. I had signed up for a claude account on my iPhone and then wanted to sign in on my laptop but nope, not possible. Insane they still haven't fixed it. Can somebody at Anthropic tag claude in slack or whatever goofy shit you do and ask it to add Apple OAuth to your website? Clearly humans aren't testing it.

I signed up on iOS, Sign In with Apple, cause I don't go around giving random companies my actual email if I can help it

and sure enough, I was right to do so: They don't even let you remove your payment method afterwards. Every other store, Steam etc., lets you.

No way I have enough trust to install their desktop app after that, so I just want to try it through their website..

Can Sign In with Google, but not with Apple

so you gotta open the Passwords app, copy your random email, paste into the website, then copy the OTP from your email..

It's been that way for at least a year

The desktop app was clunky too the last couple times I tried it a few months ago

and the AI itself hasn't been that hot compared to ChatGPT/Codex either: https://i.imgur.com/jYawPDY.png

So all the Claude hype posted on HN seems like a case of the emperor with no clothes to me

(P.S. The thing I just now tried to do on Claude hit the weekly usage limit after 2 minutes)

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by arcrs »

netsec_burn wrote: post #32

After using Claude for a long time, I tested Sol 5.6 for the first time today. Love it, its an incredibly capable model and uses far fewer tokens/time thinking. Its what I imagine Fable would be if I haven't been downgraded on every conversation - even after completing the verification program. I think I may cancel my Claude subscription finally.

output token efficiency bruv. u never go wrong with it

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by jeffybefffy519 »

jeswin wrote: post #136
jeffybefffy519 wrote: post #132

Reading the comments in this thread, i honestly dont get it. 5.6-sol has felt like a regression in capability. In fact, every model since 5.3-codex has been a regression from OpenAI. I just find 5.6-Sol over engineers problems, takes absolutely ages to solve basic problems.... At this point, I'm considering going back to cursor over codex due to the ability to get more control over what model I use since there is cle…

It depends on what effort you're using etc. As an example [1] of what codex is capable of, here's hugo (written in golang) ported to TypeScript - and then a TypeScript to Rust transpiler which converts arbitrary TypeScript into Rust. The TypeScript code which was transpiled into Rust (and is compatible with most hugo templates) runs faster than the original hugo. [1]: https://github.com/tsoniclang/tsonic-examples/tre…

I find all effort levels of sol are the same in terms of amount of hallucinated unnecessary changes. Luna is much better all round on xhigh but my point still stands, every release of these new models is not an upgrade, its re-learning how to work with it.

Its like rehiring an employee every few months then training them up. Its honestly tiring and cant stay like this.

Opus has the same problem too…

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by andypants »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #199

I have switched to Chagpt sub now after only using Claude for coding. You get more value for your money and feels like codex has reached Claude code performance in coding (the reason for using Claude) regular plus account allows you to have access to their most powerful model, image generation and asking questions is better because you can use sol but in instant mode and it feels smarter and faster. And finally codex…

> codex has reached Claude code performance in coding

Codex has always beaten claude in coding benchmarks, hasn't it?

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