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Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by gitowiec »

Sanzig wrote: post #274
FridgeSeal wrote: post #263

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Whichever devs implemented the Instagram behaviour ought to have their computer taken off them. 100% the worst experience. “Oh you don’t have the app? No big deal, let’s (maybe) play the video anyway but remove the audio, obscure half the screen, and make any interaction redirect and then bounce to the App Store. Why won’t you download our app already????”

They have to be pushy, it's how they install spyware which use tracking methods that would be a CFAA violation and prison time for anyone else: https://localmess.github.io/

Thank you for this information

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Post by GreenWatermelon »

xXSLAYERXx wrote: post #420
rao-v wrote: post #174

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Genuine curiosity - is the pop up vaguely factual or sort of randomly generated?

Gosh, I always assumed they were factual. Now I'm wondering the factualness of the old "15 people have this in their shopping cart" and "This is a popular item - limited stock left".

I always assume they're lies. In fact, I default to assuming every marketing tactic purely presents lies and the goal is to get my money by any means possible.

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Post by port11 »

dcminter wrote: post #496
port11 wrote: post #482

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Many per-country ‘competitors’ are actually owned by eBay.

Such as Tradera in Sweden where I live (they don't try to make me install the app on Tradera at least). If I'm buying random funkis furniture or computer bits and bobs I can probably use Tradera, and if I want fancy furniture or jewlery or something then there are coalitions of auction houses like Auctionet out there - but as soon as something gets even mildly obscure then there's nothing that has the reach and cover…

It’s a two-sided marketplace, it’d take heaps of cash to crack.

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Post by zigzag312 »

inigyou wrote: post #464
zigzag312 wrote: post #65

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The policy is both, good, but also flawed. For example, you cannot persist settings, because one policy says that website settings should be ephemeral unless user agrees to persist them.

Nope, that's FUD. Here's what it actually says: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/ Settings are not mentioned. Cookies are not mentioned.

Because it's not under GDPR, but under ePrivacy.

See section 3.6:

https://ec.europa.eu/justice/article-29/documentation/opinio...

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Post by arendtio »

I think the cookie layer is missing the point.

I mean, it should say something like, 'Sure thing, we don't just use cookies for our servers, but to track you through half the internet, to know exactly what you want even before you know it. Please feel free to accept it or piss off.'

I don't like those lawyers either, but they are not the primary problem. The problems are tracking systems that don't just track you across one website but across multiple sites, like those deployed by Google and Facebook. And since Cambridge Analytica, we know that those are not just hypothetical scenarios and that they actually have an impact on elections and where our society is heading.

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Post by asalahli »

tnelsond4 wrote: post #491
bee_rider wrote: post #114

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> Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's that at? This is the most annoying thing on the internet. There’s a site I’d like to use, but “try the app” takes up the entire page (and appears to be impossible to dismiss?). Actually, is there a way to permanently request the desktop site for all future visits to a domain on iOS? There is n…

Have you ever noticed that nothing is actually ever better in the app. In the web browser I can change to desktop mode and access all the features they don't have in the app, also in the browser I can block ads.

And tabs! Browsers have tabs. None of the "apps" I use seem to comprehend that I might want to look at or do more than one thing at a time with them

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Post by sharts »

idopmstuff wrote: post #152

I started an e-commerce brand on a Shopify site. I swore to myself I would never put up one of those stupid things that pops up "Someone bought X product an hour ago!" messages in the corner of the screen. I ended up trying it. Boosted conversion rate meaningfully. Worth the price I pay in mild self-loathing. Chesterton's popup, I guess.

Pressuring works. But some is distasteful, tho legal as discovered via MeToo

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Post by mitchdoogle »

nerdawson wrote: post #19
peesem wrote: post #6

inaccurate, i don't have to go three screens deep into a modal to choose only necessary cookies

The best one now is “Read for free” (give me all the trackers) or join a subscription and you can opt out. Pretty much every news / media site now

If this were true, it would be great, but in my experience, paying for a subscription just emboldens companies to collect more data

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Post by mitchdoogle »

inigyou wrote: post #450
pie_flavor wrote: post #302

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That's not what various references (and AIs) say. Strictly necessary means strictly necessary. They didn't bother defining it in the law. However, user preferences were called out specifically in the WP29 opinion as something that wouldn't count as strictly necessary if scoped any wider than the browser session. So if the plain English meaning and the drafters' opinion contradicts your opinion, why should I risk sign…

Yeah well most references on this are wrong, and AIs are doubly wrong since they ingest those references and also since they are AIs. I suggest actually reading the GDPR if you think it applies to you. The EU put it up on a website for everyone to see. Here's the most relevant section: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/ Notice how cookies are not mentioned, popups are not mentioned, and strictly necessary is not mentio…

Why are you even bringing up GDPR? The law requiring cookie banners is a completely different law. Have you not seen a cookie banner? You think all these huge companies with legal departments are just misreading a law? What are you even ok about here?

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Post by account42 »

inigyou wrote: post #422
dcminter wrote: post #355

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Ah yes, I shall use that other auction site. Which was it again?

Make your own. You could even scrape auctions from eBay. You might think it's impossible but every other country seems to have a homegrown one, and not many people habitually go to eBay.

You can't scrape network effects. People don't want to buy something, they want to buy a specific thing and that is only available if there are enough users on the site for one of them to have your specific niche item. And no, not all countries have an equivalent with a user-base that even comes close to eBay.
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