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Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by tnelsond4 »

bee_rider wrote: post #114
jchw wrote: post #95

Should load much slower. Also, where is the unrelated autoplaying video that will unmute if you actually click it, that follows your scrolling and only becomes smaller when you dismiss it? Plus, it should probably have text that cuts off letting you know you can have access for just $10/month. Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's t…

> Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's that at? This is the most annoying thing on the internet. There’s a site I’d like to use, but “try the app” takes up the entire page (and appears to be impossible to dismiss?). Actually, is there a way to permanently request the desktop site for all future visits to a domain on iOS? There is n…

Have you ever noticed that nothing is actually ever better in the app. In the web browser I can change to desktop mode and access all the features they don't have in the app, also in the browser I can block ads.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by darumderum »

tnelsond4 wrote: post #491
bee_rider wrote: post #114

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> Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's that at? This is the most annoying thing on the internet. There’s a site I’d like to use, but “try the app” takes up the entire page (and appears to be impossible to dismiss?). Actually, is there a way to permanently request the desktop site for all future visits to a domain on iOS? There is n…

Have you ever noticed that nothing is actually ever better in the app. In the web browser I can change to desktop mode and access all the features they don't have in the app, also in the browser I can block ads.

Actually, it is. Your behavior can be tracked better, re-engagement through push notifications and ads. It's just not better for you. But aren't we all trying to maximize shareholder value anyway?

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by inigyou »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #479
inigyou wrote: post #450

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Yeah well most references on this are wrong, and AIs are doubly wrong since they ingest those references and also since they are AIs. I suggest actually reading the GDPR if you think it applies to you. The EU put it up on a website for everyone to see. Here's the most relevant section: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/ Notice how cookies are not mentioned, popups are not mentioned, and strictly necessary is not mentio…

See my other response with citations. In short: the GDPR doesn't mention it but it is covered by the ePrivacy directive/regulations which does cover cookies very specifically, and which is enforced through GDPR.

What does "enforced through GDPR" mean here? That if you don't ask permission for saving a dark mode preference, they'll fine you for misuse of personal data even though it isn't personal data and you're not misusing it?

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by dghlsakjg »

inigyou wrote: post #488
dghlsakjg wrote: post #478

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You're replying to me, but I'm not the one asserting it. The GDPR law doesn't require it specifically, but the earlier ePrivacy regulation does and it is considered to be the guide for GDPR on this specific issue. Lex Specialis is the term for one regulation being applied within a different one. In any case here is a plain text interpretation from the EU ( https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ ): "Strictly necessary cookies — The…

I thought GDPR replaced ePD. Are you saying it did but specific things like how you should ask for consent carried over?

I’m not your personal lawyer, and your tone is abrasive elsewhere.

Google “lex especialis eprivacy GDPR”.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by dghlsakjg »

inigyou wrote: post #493
dghlsakjg wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See my other response with citations. In short: the GDPR doesn't mention it but it is covered by the ePrivacy directive/regulations which does cover cookies very specifically, and which is enforced through GDPR.

What does "enforced through GDPR" mean here? That if you don't ask permission for saving a dark mode preference, they'll fine you for misuse of personal data even though it isn't personal data and you're not misusing it?

You read and replied to my other response. It answers this question and gives you the laws you demanded and the terms to research the answer to this question.

Have a good day.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by dcminter »

port11 wrote: post #482
inigyou wrote: post #422

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Make your own. You could even scrape auctions from eBay. You might think it's impossible but every other country seems to have a homegrown one, and not many people habitually go to eBay.

Many per-country ‘competitors’ are actually owned by eBay.

Such as Tradera in Sweden where I live (they don't try to make me install the app on Tradera at least).

If I'm buying random funkis furniture or computer bits and bobs I can probably use Tradera, and if I want fancy furniture or jewlery or something then there are coalitions of auction houses like Auctionet out there - but as soon as something gets even mildly obscure then there's nothing that has the reach and coverage of eBay.

Starting a new online auction site sounds like a terrific way to throw money away.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by shimman »

inigyou wrote: post #428
dieselgate wrote: post #413

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Thank you for the follow up link, it brings up good points. I think the 1st Amendment angle is too quickly brushed off by the author and not sure how this would be settled in a legal dispute--especially considering the means and depth of advertising and tech companies. The article is worth reading and great food for thought. Isn't this a part of legally excluding under-18s from using social media?

If giving out anti-draft pamphlets is considered by the courts to be equivalent to shouting fire in a crowded theatre then why couldn't advertising?

Seriously. I did not consent to these companies to be manipulated into giving them money. It's an invasion of the public sphere, and worse it is highly authoritarian which should always be resisted on principle.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by docjay »

inigyou wrote: post #446
docjay wrote: post #135

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I have the same mindset and often did the same thing, but then I thought about my doctor sneaking into my house while I’m sleeping and injecting me with the “good medicine” I had refused in their office.

Do you ask your manager whether to indent your code? Of course not, you just do it. Because it's your job and not theirs.

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by xandrius »

idopmstuff wrote: post #152

I started an e-commerce brand on a Shopify site. I swore to myself I would never put up one of those stupid things that pops up "Someone bought X product an hour ago!" messages in the corner of the screen. I ended up trying it. Boosted conversion rate meaningfully. Worth the price I pay in mild self-loathing. Chesterton's popup, I guess.

The price you pay should definitely be higher then.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by smaudet »

trueno wrote: post #481
smaudet wrote: post #347

Serious answer: Bootstrap. That framework did more damage to web design than any other framework. Yeah, its nice that you can spin up a page in a second that looks like every other page on the internet, wait a minute... Technical answer: CSS It was a nice idea, and it sure beat hand-designing each and every page (wait a second, weren't/aren't we doing that all over again?). It did/does too much, and was mostly in lie…

I was hanging around during the bootstrap era. It was fine, no i think theres some blend of where UI/UX/marketing that were way overblown that really blitzed all sites into looking the same. Every component framework or helper framework under the sun is barely doing anything different. Shadcn, daisyui, tailwind, all of that.. it's all customizable but people aren't interested in making something fresh and new using b…

> Career UX/UI folks will defend them, and this just feels like they smoked too much of their own shenanigans.

Of course, people are a part of the problem, never said they weren't. But when you ask how did Bobby from marketing commit murder, it's pertinent if he used a crowbar or a glock. Sure, neither are "evil" on their own, and I'm not saying that bootstrap is bad.

It's just the footgun that made it that much more likely...

If you want a "why" for the human side of the equation, well I'm not a marketing guy, the TV show Mad Men seems to offer an interesting perspective as to what makes a marketing department "good", vs just another latte drinking "vibe" shop. My hypothesis being, I have a strong suspicion certain parts of that culture no longer exist, and have mostly been replaced with number-seeking.

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