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What's your grade?
Senior. So I still get coding tests. I wouldn’t worry if I’m Staff and above.
I would. Just finished up a job search recently for staff+, and still got leetcode interviews for most companies.
Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?
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Re: Ask HN: Do you know of any company that went back to hand-written code?
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> the goal is both a happy team and well functioning software. software first. team second. team happiness is important as a miserable team will hamper productivity and quality. but the team’s happiness is secondary to their overarching reason d’être — the software. if there were no need for the software, the team wouldn’t need to exist. so that goal should take precedence. YMMV
Companies come and go but humans and relationships can stay for a lifetime, often through multiple companies. You may have it backwards.
OP wasn't asking how to ensure their team members have relationships that extend beyond the time they spent working in that team.
it was about the trade-off between team happiness (getting to use tools how the team wants to) versus the results (problems with the produced software because the team are using the tools how the team wants to).
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Yeah I cant imagine my job without it anymore, in my hobby projects I dont really use it because its more about learning new stuff but for work I dont really care
That's so depressing, and a real loss for your employer. Even if they neither know nor care that you are now sandbagging them, you still are. You aren't making real gains because you're tossing out value of equivalent or greater worth (your learning and engagement)
I'm amazed you think typical corporations care about staff learning and engagement in the first place.
There's a reason they're trying to replace humans with AI: they just want outcomes. People learning and growing is only useful if it generates better outcomes. If you can get the same thing with a bunch of reverse centaurs, from a corporate perspective that's better: labour becomes more fungible and you can spend even less on training and investment in staff (assuming you ever did). And do it right and those folks will just train your machines to make them even better (see: Meta capturing worker activity and reallocating large numbers of staff to data labelling).
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That's so depressing, and a real loss for your employer. Even if they neither know nor care that you are now sandbagging them, you still are. You aren't making real gains because you're tossing out value of equivalent or greater worth (your learning and engagement)
I'm amazed you think typical corporations care about staff learning and engagement in the first place. There's a reason they're trying to replace humans with AI: they just want outcomes. People learning and growing is only useful if it generates better outcomes. If you can get the same thing with a bunch of reverse centaurs, from a corporate perspective that's better: labour becomes more fungible and you can spend ev…
Sure, but that's a big big big big big big big big big big "if".
All AI has really succeeding in proving so far is that humans CAN really, very much "keep up", despite repeated repeated repeated repeated assertions that in six months it will not be so
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Where they created value wasn't just the CRUD app but developing their skills, supporting communities that asked and answered questions to build public knowledgebases. They adapted to painfully repetitive tasks by developing tools that made expressing common ideas simple. In losing the pain of repetition, we lost the incentive towards abstraction. The forces in opposite directions cancelled out, creating growth for A…
No one put a dollar amount on stagnation?
On the lack thereof
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Exactly. It fascinates me when I'm emailed long AI transcripts of meetings with the disclaimer "generated by AI. Be sure to check for accuracy". Like, did somebody seriously think through the meaning and implication of that disclaimer and still write it?
No, the disclaimer is there only to avoid liability.
No. The particular context I’m referring to doesn’t have any legal implications so it’s not that. It’s just brain-deadness instead
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Senior. So I still get coding tests. I wouldn’t worry if I’m Staff and above.
I would. Just finished up a job search recently for staff+, and still got leetcode interviews for most companies.
Thanks. That's tough. Did you only interview at big tech?
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I'm amazed you think typical corporations care about staff learning and engagement in the first place. There's a reason they're trying to replace humans with AI: they just want outcomes. People learning and growing is only useful if it generates better outcomes. If you can get the same thing with a bunch of reverse centaurs, from a corporate perspective that's better: labour becomes more fungible and you can spend ev…
Sure, but that's a big big big big big big big big big big "if". All AI has really succeeding in proving so far is that humans CAN really, very much "keep up", despite repeated repeated repeated repeated assertions that in six months it will not be so
Oh I'm aware. I'm not saying it makes any g-d sense. I'm just saying that's the corporate logic. So for those of us stuck in AI pilled orgs, the best bet is to play the game and keep your skills sharp on the side in case the whole thing goes pear shaped.
But it isn't a loss for any employers. They're not being sandbagged in any way. It's the path they've chosen, knowingly and willingly.
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#120Not for code, but my wife is a doctor and has gone from using AI scribes back to manually typing out notes and has multiple friends who've done the same. Turns out the gains were eroded by having to check the work and turn verbose prose into an actual note.
> Turns out the gains were eroded by having to check the work and turn verbose prose into an actual note. LLMs are great at this. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't possible to improve the actionable notes. Most human-made doctor notes I've seen have not been comprehensive, anyway, and the doctor has had to spend a good chunk of a rushed appointment scribbling notes rather than interacting with the patient.
As explained to me, the notes are verbose and do not focus on actionable parts of the consultation. Doctors often have to add a lot of missing detail for legal reasons and if they had to tweak the output through multiple LLMs they would have even less time for their consults.