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Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by iwontberude »

kortex wrote: post #46
lkm0 wrote: post #9

It's actually pretty funny to look for such synonym expressions https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22h... turns up a few more. If you want to read more, I believe those are called "tortured phrases"

> "Tortured phrases" are bizarre, nonsensical word combinations—such as "counterfeit consciousness" instead of "artificial intelligence" Conterfeit Consciousness is gonna be the name of my new post-liquid analog modular synth IDM project. I feel like these text spinners could actually be an untapped gold mine for creatively naming things.

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Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by cryptoegorophy »

In some languages disappointment does mean malfunction or problem. Like disappointment of stomach. Maybe they are using English words in papers instead of English language? Common for people whose English is not their first language.

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by elric »

lq9AJ8yrfs wrote: post #50

"Kidney transplantation is a surgery to eliminate a sound, working kidney from a living or cerebrum dead giver and embed it into a patient with non-working kidneys. Kidney transplantation is performed on patients with persistent kidney disappointment, or end-stage renal illness (ESRD). ESRD happens when a sickness or confusion harms the kidneys with the goal that they are presently not able to do satisfactorily elimi…

I hope the synopsis is the only thing that got mangled by the thesaurus bot...

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by avalys »

Most of these are authored by what appear to be non-native English speakers. So, the most likely explanation is a translation issue.

In engineering literature from Russia from the 1960s, one sometimes finds references to a ‘water goat’ in papers that are otherwise about heavy machinery. It turns out this is a twice-translated rendition of ‘hydraulic ram’.

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by freehorse »

ReaLNero wrote: post #47

It's very clear what's happening: they're passing it through a writing tool that has an "Auto-improve" feature the users click. This would do the naive, pre-LLM, trick of taking "repetitive" vocabulary and varying it using synonyms.

I assume it is due to machine translation? I do not see mentions of "failure" at all, which would be expected to exist if it was to increase variety.

I think (heard) some used to translate an article back and forth a few times to get a "new" article, but maybe it could have been some kind of "paraphrasing" software like you describe (but for avoiding plagiarism detection rather than repetitions).

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by ivan_gammel »

stared wrote: post #20

Nothing beats when, in a chemistry paper, AI paraphrased „the final solution” into „the mass killing of an ethnic group”. “Subsequently, 1 mL of the mass killing of an ethnic group was opposed to 20 mL of the skin sample and unprotected to light for 7 min.” From: https://bsky.app/profile/forbetterscience.bsky.social/post/3...

This doesn‘t sound like AI. LLMs do not use dictionary definitions for translating a paper this way. It does look like some translation engine like Google Translate or worse, maybe with some text obfuscator trying to avoid plagiarism detection.

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Post by freehorse »

heaney-555 wrote: post #49
croisillon wrote: post #48

i kid you not, yesterday i was wondering what's the english word for bathroom scale, so i googled "pèse personne in english", and got answered "person weighs"

Searching the same thing gives me "The French phrase pèse-personne translates to bathroom scales (plural) or bathroom scale (singular) in English."

In my google search, it gave me directly a translation box where it was translated as "personal scale" (which I think is also used).

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by stackghost »

kaddar wrote: post #12
lkm0 wrote: post #9

It's actually pretty funny to look for such synonym expressions https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22h... turns up a few more. If you want to read more, I believe those are called "tortured phrases"

Well, yes, and I call them 'distressed phrases'

Phrases experiencing discomfort

Re: Research papers using "kidney disappointment" instead of "kidney failure"

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Post by aix1 »

Here is one hypothesis: https://theconversation.com/problematic-paper-screener-trawl...

Have you ever heard of the Joined Together States? Or bosom peril? Kidney disappointment? Fake neural organizations? Lactose bigotry? These nonsensical, and sometimes amusing, word sequences are among thousands of “tortured phrases” that sleuths have found littered throughout reputable scientific journals.

They typically result from using paraphrasing tools to evade plagiarism-detection software when stealing someone else’s text. The phrases above are real examples of bungled synonyms for the United States, breast cancer, kidney failure, artificial neural networks, and lactose intolerance, respectively.

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