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Semaglutide linked to lower predicted dementia risk

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Re: Semaglutide linked to lower predicted dementia risk

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So has anyone managed to separate the effects of semaglutide from the effects of weight loss? If this is caused by the weight loss, it is a little disappointing that public health didn't act quicker - lots of people have been overweight for a century now, so literally 10's of millions of people could have been saved from dementia had action been taken 100 years ago.

It’s in broad terms weight loss related. More specifically blood glucose and insulin regulation which can be out of whack even if you’re not diabetic on paper. This is why you’ll see people claiming they’re not diabetic but still saw improvement from Ozempic and friends. Their insulin and glucose regulation was spoke. in casual terms “fucked”.

GLP-1 receptor agonists such as semaglutide act partly through the brain to reduce hunger, increase satiety, and lower spontaneous energy intake. Sustained caloric reduction produces weight loss, including loss of visceral fat around the abdominal organs and ectopic fat stored in tissues such as the liver. These fat depots are metabolically active and contribute to insulin resistance through excess fatty-acid delivery, inflammatory signalling, and disruption of normal insulin action.

As they shrink, muscle and liver tissues become more responsive to insulin, so the pancreas no longer needs to secrete as much insulin to maintain normal glucose levels.

This reduces the compensatory hyperinsulinaemic state that can exist for years before diabetes develops and decreases the probability that impaired glucose regulation will progress toward overt type 2 diabetes.

Those changes propagate into the cardiovascular system.

Better insulin sensitivity and lower visceral and liver fat are commonly accompanied by lower triglycerides, improved blood pressure, reduced systemic inflammation, and better endothelial and vascular function, thereby reducing several mechanisms that contribute to atherosclerosis and cerebrovascular injury.

GLP-1 receptor agonists also have a direct metabolic action independent of weight loss: when glucose is elevated, they enhance pancreatic insulin secretion and suppress inappropriate glucagon secretion, improving glucose control without forcing insulin secretion when glucose is low.

The overall effect is therefore a combination of an immediate GLP-1-mediated improvement in appetite and glucose regulation followed by progressively larger downstream effects from weight and fat loss, which together reduce the metabolic and vascular abnormalities associated with cardiovascular disease and, over much longer periods, potentially with dementia risk.

Re: Semaglutide linked to lower predicted dementia risk

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So has anyone managed to separate the effects of semaglutide from the effects of weight loss? If this is caused by the weight loss, it is a little disappointing that public health didn't act quicker - lots of people have been overweight for a century now, so literally 10's of millions of people could have been saved from dementia had action been taken 100 years ago.

What should public health have done differently?

Tax fat people. No, I'm not joking. Especially in countries with some sort of socialist health system.

Re: Semaglutide linked to lower predicted dementia risk

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It can be very hard to eat a healthy diet if you're poor or if you live in a food desert, or you have a dietary restriction, or some allergies...

I disagree on the “if you’re poor”. I find eating healthy cheaper.

You can prepare healthy meals from basic and cheap foodstuffs like vegetables, whole grains and legumes, eggs, low cost meat cuts etc. You can prepare delicious meals for under $1 each.

Buying prepared unhealthy foods is what is expensive.

Re: Semaglutide linked to lower predicted dementia risk

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Speaking as someone who had the same kind of reservations, I think you sound exactly like me, and if I had any advice to my past self, it would be "get on it as early as it's available, start much lower than anyone thinks is sane, and never ever stop". I got a concierge doctor who absolutely evaluates what I ask for skeptically, and pay for my GLP medications out of pocket, so I feel ethically totally comfortable wit…

What downsides have you experienced?

I personally found that it seemed to globally lower any kind of reward-seeking behavior - initially it was alcohol (didn't make a dramatic difference for food), but pretty quickly I quit the running habit I'd had for years. My resting heart rate shot up, my heart rate variability plumetted, and a couple months in I stopped feeling motivated to get out of bed in the morning. I lost about a half a pound a week, which was lower than I had by calorie counting in the past.

Quit the Wegovy and added a low dose of bupropion, and all of that reversed in a month.

I am overweight, not obese, have an A1C of 4.7, and run regularly. I've never had food noise. YMMV.

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I'm on the pill version, which allows me to adjust the dosage on a more day-to-day level. It also doesn't need a fridge, so it allows me to travel more easily. There's a level that works best for me long-term, and it's quite a bit less than typical.

I thought the half-life was long enough that skipping a pill or taking a lower dose wouldn't make much of a difference? Also, do you cut pills? I had looked into this and only found info saying that it ruins the delivery mechanism. I was skeptical of this because it would benefit the pill makers to convince people that these special pills cannot be cut, even though they do not require extended delivery (quite the opp…

I guess probably only take the pill n out of 7 days a week? With the long half life you'd probably get the same effect as cutting the pills

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As someone who has experienced so many different sides of this, you have zero clue the degree to which your appetite and ability to suppress it is hormonal until you get hormonally compromised (and then fix it, in my case, happily) Blaming individuals for a public health crisis affecting 40% of the population is absolutely silly. There are a lot of individuals like me, who overeat behaviorally, but that doesn't expla…

40% in a specific country

Re: Semaglutide linked to lower predicted dementia risk

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So has anyone managed to separate the effects of semaglutide from the effects of weight loss? If this is caused by the weight loss, it is a little disappointing that public health didn't act quicker - lots of people have been overweight for a century now, so literally 10's of millions of people could have been saved from dementia had action been taken 100 years ago.

It’s in broad terms weight loss related. More specifically blood glucose and insulin regulation which can be out of whack even if you’re not diabetic on paper. This is why you’ll see people claiming they’re not diabetic but still saw improvement from Ozempic and friends. Their insulin and glucose regulation was spoke. in casual terms “fucked”. GLP-1 receptor agonists such as semaglutide act partly through the brain t…

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Re: Semaglutide linked to lower predicted dementia risk

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Similar experience here on minimal dose of GLP-1. There is definitely something going on here other than "you are just losing weight and that's really why you are healthier". With my labs at my current weight you can not tell that I am a type 2 diabetic. Previously, when I was at this very same weight in the past - all my labs indicated I was prediabetic.

Could be just because you stopped eating bad food. Things improve dramatically once you limit your intake of industrialized food.

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Re: Semaglutide linked to lower predicted dementia risk

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I don't buy that. You can buy a steak and a potato for two for less than a bag of Doritos. A banana costs far less than a candy bar. A bag of mixed nuts will provide many meals. Price out a bag of rice, a bag of beans, etc. > food companies' only interest is in maximizing profit Pleasing your customers is how profit is maximized. Besides, I bet if you were faced with two stores, one that charges $x for A, and another…

Where are you getting a steak and potato for 2 for less than a bag of Doritos? Is it a 50 lb bag of Doritos?

A quick search has Walmart selling a 14.5 oz (411g) bag of Doritos for $5 [0], which according to the back of the packet is 15 servings. Obviously that's comparable to a single piece of beef and a potato (/s)

While we're at it, on the $5 Hershey's bar - Walmart has a 7.56 oz (214g) one for $4.52 [1] which claims to be eight servings so again obviously just like a single banana.

[0] https://www.walmart.com/ip/Doritos-Nacho-Cheese-Tortilla-Sna...

[1] https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hershey-s-Special-Dark-Mildly-Swe...

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