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Working with AI feels more like leadership than coding

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Re: Working with AI feels more like leadership than coding

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Post by fragmede »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #180
ben_w wrote: post #141

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> Juniors turn to seniors. AI has gone from "codes like a student" to "fresh hire junior" to "nearly ready for next step in career" at about the same, tiny bit faster, calendar pace as humans. > You can never trust AI won't glitch... True. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covfefe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson And?

No, it really hasn't. You still can't remotely trust it to not get stuff wrong.

Remotely? Like at all?

Re: Working with AI feels more like leadership than coding

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Post by Grokify »

Working with LLMs feels more like management when I'm working with multiple LLM coding sessions on the same code base, either multiple LLMs making commits to the same repo, or LLMs doing code review on another LLM's work.

Leadership is more about setting vision and goals. The more agents are given agency to achieve goals, the more it feels like leadership.

Re: Working with AI feels more like leadership than coding

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Post by VladVladikoff »

gedy wrote: post #96
VladVladikoff wrote: post #82

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I run/own the companies. I have a curated list of ideas and features that I would like to implement that I know can make our products the best in the industry. I don’t need a senior developer to spitball ideas for me. As much as I cringe at the term, I play the role of the “visionary” here, not my developers. I have instead put the excess money towards hiring top producers in my sales and support teams.

Best of luck, I guess I've personally had little success at companies with "I have an idea" types in leadership.

Thanks. It’s been a slow long burn. One company is now 14 years old, and the #2 player it it’s industry. We grew very slowly over those years but we did it with a really small team and will be the dominate player in the long run. The other company is still a fresh startup, also a small team, but I have the finances to keep it afloat from the first. All of this is funded by our own profits, we do not have outside investors. It’s part of the reason we grew so slowly, at the start it was really just me, doing everything.

Re: Working with AI feels more like leadership than coding

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

reverius42 wrote: post #186
creato wrote: post #173

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You're conflating two things (probably intentionally, but I'll go with it). If you are firing someone without replacing (a layoff), then presumably, that person cost more than the value they provided, and so laying them off should improve the value of the business (after incurring the costs the parent post mentioned). If you are firing someone to replace them with someone else, you are incurring a lot of cost (hiring…

Based on that logic, layoffs should sometimes cause the stock of a company to go down, if the shareholders think those employees contributed more value than the company saves by laying them off. In reality layoffs almost always cause the stock to go up. The market seems to think layoffs are an unalloyed good.

there are numerous well known aphorisms about the irrationality of markets, so not sure why that should matter.

Re: Working with AI feels more like leadership than coding

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Post by tingletech »

reverius42 wrote: post #186
creato wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're conflating two things (probably intentionally, but I'll go with it). If you are firing someone without replacing (a layoff), then presumably, that person cost more than the value they provided, and so laying them off should improve the value of the business (after incurring the costs the parent post mentioned). If you are firing someone to replace them with someone else, you are incurring a lot of cost (hiring…

Based on that logic, layoffs should sometimes cause the stock of a company to go down, if the shareholders think those employees contributed more value than the company saves by laying them off. In reality layoffs almost always cause the stock to go up. The market seems to think layoffs are an unalloyed good.

you still seem to be conflating layoffs with firing someone where you have to train their replacement.

Re: Working with AI feels more like leadership than coding

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Post by andrekandre »

notabee wrote: post #184
boron1006 wrote: post #46

My Eng lead has no coding experience, 25 years of management experience, yet has driven 3 separate projects into technical bankruptcy to date. He just accepts anything that Claude says as truth. He vibecoded over 60,000 lines of code in 3 weeks, but couldn’t get it to do what he want and made a project overrun for 3 extra months. When the pissed off stakeholders called a meeting to ask what was going on he didn’t sho…

The most serious vulnerability that any LLM has exposed to date is in the human brain, where a whole lot of people cannot help but anthropomorphize it and they seem to be willing to totally forego critical thinking. I think this vulnerability has existed for a long time but the mass exploitation is going to destroy quite a few organizations.

  > totally forego critical thinking
if there is anything i've learned working in this industry is that everyone hates thinking; they want a rote formula or pattern they can repeat for every project and every functionality... and ai mania is perfect cat-nip for this type imo

Re: Working with AI feels more like leadership than coding

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Post by BobbyTables2 »

reverius42 wrote: post #186
creato wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're conflating two things (probably intentionally, but I'll go with it). If you are firing someone without replacing (a layoff), then presumably, that person cost more than the value they provided, and so laying them off should improve the value of the business (after incurring the costs the parent post mentioned). If you are firing someone to replace them with someone else, you are incurring a lot of cost (hiring…

Based on that logic, layoffs should sometimes cause the stock of a company to go down, if the shareholders think those employees contributed more value than the company saves by laying them off. In reality layoffs almost always cause the stock to go up. The market seems to think layoffs are an unalloyed good.

It’s also odd as it screams a different problem too.

If the employees were advantageous, I agree laying them off should be a long term negative as you seem to suggest.

Kinda like cheering the warmth of a burning bed on a cold night.

If they were inefficient/ineffective then management is crappy for not dealing with the problem sooner.

Sure, companies are resilient. But the first year or two of lost competence from layoffs can be quite rough…

Re: Working with AI feels more like leadership than coding

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Post by creato »

BobbyTables2 wrote: post #198
reverius42 wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on that logic, layoffs should sometimes cause the stock of a company to go down, if the shareholders think those employees contributed more value than the company saves by laying them off. In reality layoffs almost always cause the stock to go up. The market seems to think layoffs are an unalloyed good.

It’s also odd as it screams a different problem too. If the employees were advantageous, I agree laying them off should be a long term negative as you seem to suggest. Kinda like cheering the warmth of a burning bed on a cold night. If they were inefficient/ineffective then management is crappy for not dealing with the problem sooner. Sure, companies are resilient. But the first year or two of lost competence from la…

Based on my personal experience and general observation, it seems like companies are both slow to hire, and slow to fire. So, paradoxically, both actions seem like they should signal "this company is going to be better in the future", because companies only either hire or fire when it is really obvious they should.
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