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AI in drug discovery – what it is, where we stand and the path forward

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the comment in fact praising Derek Lowe as a science communicator? In the second paragraph OP is just posing the questions that one might have when reading about a field not your own, that highlight the importance of reliable science communicators.

It's a very confusing comment since Derek Lowe is a chemist working in pharma but is being referred to only as a science communicator which I suspect most people would consider to be an implicit insult.

I think it says more about the person reading it as an implicit insult than it does OP. I am, I think, a fairly competent scientist, and know many great scientists. I know very few great scientific communicators.

Re: AI in drug discovery – what it is, where we stand and the path forward

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About 2% of finasteride users experience these side effects, and they are reversible after discontinuation.

Apparently some users report persistent side effects even years after stopping the medication (post-finasteride syndrome).

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Re: AI in drug discovery – what it is, where we stand and the path forward

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> “…the focus of AI in drug discovery must shift from doing what can be done - such as modelling data that is readily available, but that is unlikely to move the needle - to doing what should be done, even if this requires, for example, substantial data generation…” It’s a worthy goal, but I think that many involved in this work might be thinking, even unconsciously, “You first”.

This is the problem with AI for all of science - not just drug discovery. Applied ML has spread like wildfire through academia over the past decade - this started well before the LLM hype. It’s the perfect honey trap: research is painstaking and slow, ML offered a shortcut, and best of all, it just needs data. Research produces lots and lots of data! Surely this will be a match made in heaven.

I’ve watched the same pattern play out at least four or five times now in various roles.

(1) Propose an ML-guided approach to material/chemistry discovery/optimization.

(2) Gather existing data (real, experimental data).

(3) Realize there’s less than about 50 true rows of data on the outputs of interest.

At this point, you either: (4a) revert to traditional methods but keep the veneer of using ML to save face, or (4b) pivot to computational/simulation work or a high-throughput system that’s very far removed from your original problem, but allows you to keep playing with ML toys

It’s really bad. I left the industry. I don’t know how long it will take for people doing real science to take back the reins (and the funding).

Re: AI in drug discovery – what it is, where we stand and the path forward

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I think the real win here is for idiots like me: A) no education B) no resources C) not smart enough to be a self-taught bio-hacker Everyone hears "AI is going to cure disease" and pictures some cure-all pill from a bio lab which is what I feel this paper is hinting at is missingb but that's the top of the funnel; I'm at the bottom where patients live and that is where AI is already quietly working. Its just not bein…

> Skyrizi

How are those biologics? Did you have to visit the doctor to get injections frequently?

Re: AI in drug discovery – what it is, where we stand and the path forward

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> “…the focus of AI in drug discovery must shift from doing what can be done - such as modelling data that is readily available, but that is unlikely to move the needle - to doing what should be done, even if this requires, for example, substantial data generation…” It’s a worthy goal, but I think that many involved in this work might be thinking, even unconsciously, “You first”. This is the problem with AI for all o…

(3) seems like a problem in its own right? Basing science, traditional or newfangled ML, on such small amounts of data looks pretty weak.

Re: AI in drug discovery – what it is, where we stand and the path forward

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post #57

I think the real win here is for idiots like me: A) no education B) no resources C) not smart enough to be a self-taught bio-hacker Everyone hears "AI is going to cure disease" and pictures some cure-all pill from a bio lab which is what I feel this paper is hinting at is missingb but that's the top of the funnel; I'm at the bottom where patients live and that is where AI is already quietly working. Its just not bein…

> Skyrizi How are those biologics? Did you have to visit the doctor to get injections frequently?

Hands down the best drug I have been on EVER; but its 11k a month with no insurance.

The 1st 2 injections where done by a nurse that came to my home, the others were done as self injections using their njection kits.

Re: AI in drug discovery – what it is, where we stand and the path forward

#60

I'm a structural biologist at a mid-sized biotech. I use AI tools daily. They make accomplishing the same things I was able to accomplish before quite a lot faster and easier. They don't help me magically accomplish new things that I couldn't previously. For example, it helps me install academic software, debug things. It helps me take a large dataset and write scripts to ask questions. It helps me go through experim…

Serious question - have you tried applying AI tools to more of your job, and in a goal-seeking fashion? Have you hit roadblocks?
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