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Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

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take astral, planetscale.... Pi even - so many good orgs where the product is the result of engineering passion

Never heard of any of those. Pi the AI harness, sure. Not sure those are good examples if people can't relate to them. Note: Astral was acquired by OpenAI, so I'd assume they will no longer meet your criteria soon.

ok those are probably my examples from my memory, feel free to replace those names with the ones you love the most.

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#72
post #26

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Because it affects people personally? They are using the stuff that's being neglected, and they could be using the stuff that is being half-assed if it's better. And I don't believe it has to do with the market. I've worked at a company that was run by pms doing stupid shit. It was dressed up as what the business needed, but it was sheer incompetence. Better people in exactly the same situation would have produced be…

Not directing this at you personally. But I've heard a lot of mediocre engineers whine and complain about PMs, MBAs, C-suite, etc. The best engineers I don't hear complaining much at all. Just a thought. And sorry but I don't agree that launching AI products in 2026 is not related to the market. I think that's the whole basis for the decision.

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Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

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post #62
post #11

> There was a time Cloudflare just made the internet better There wasn't. Cloudflare is a cancer grown too big. And it was always positioned to become one, the middleman between users and the Internet. It is already painful to browse web sometimes using the non-"standard" tools (that is, not a Chrome with Google account signed in, not an EU/US residential IP). What if tomorrow Cloudflare checks will require attested…

Genuine good faith question, what would you recommend the solution or alternative to be? How could we be able to get the benefits Cloudflare provides, without the inherent drawbacks?

The general arguments here are that CDNs have replaced tier1 ISPs as the predominant force on the Internet. Geoff Huston has written about this over the last ~10 years[0][1].

So the question as to alternatives is void - the problem is CDNs MitM'ing yur datas across multiple domains, and the loss of the nostalgia (or whatever) for the tier1 ISPs (who were all horrible in their own ways).

I don't particularly subscribe to the harms Geoff purports, but I cannot fault his analysis of the situation. If you haven't read it before, it is worth the read.

If you want a free and open Internet, then you don't want someone else's TLS proxy between every consumer and every producer. This ignores the problems of DDoS, scaling, etc. Buuutttttt.... 99% of websites don't have those problems, so why are you building a solution which trades decentralization for it?

Anyhow, sounds like you're into all the wonderful things Cloudflare (and every other CDN) provides. Great. That's fine, just don't be angry when the free and open Internet promised to all of us in the 1990s requires 3rd party gate keepers. And no, there aren't solutions to all the problems.

0: https://blog.apnic.net/2016/10/28/the-death-of-transit/ 1: https://www.thousandeyes.com/blog/internet-report-evolution-...

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

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post #24

A good point made in the post (that's not really specific to CF) is the problem with multiplying features. It's interesting that most of the extremely-hot-on-AI companies and leaders I know are hyped about 100x product dev, etc and want to throw tons of new assorted features out. This is not a good thing! I've been at companies with lots of staffing and velocity (pre-AI), and it is a huge foot-gun to think pumping ou…

> Smaller companies especially should calm down and do one thing well They're going to get absolutely steamrolled unless it is a high risk critical industry.

Maybe, but pretending to be Atlassian or whomever doesn't help either afaics

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

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post #11

> There was a time Cloudflare just made the internet better There wasn't. Cloudflare is a cancer grown too big. And it was always positioned to become one, the middleman between users and the Internet. It is already painful to browse web sometimes using the non-"standard" tools (that is, not a Chrome with Google account signed in, not an EU/US residential IP). What if tomorrow Cloudflare checks will require attested…

Is Anubis kinder to non-standard tools?

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

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post #66

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the constant "fights" with Vercel instead of delivering shareholder value by refining the product

I'm not even sure if I would know who Vercel is if I were at Cloudflare. The scale between the two is staggeringly different .

That makes it worse, not better.

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

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post #75
post #11

> There was a time Cloudflare just made the internet better There wasn't. Cloudflare is a cancer grown too big. And it was always positioned to become one, the middleman between users and the Internet. It is already painful to browse web sometimes using the non-"standard" tools (that is, not a Chrome with Google account signed in, not an EU/US residential IP). What if tomorrow Cloudflare checks will require attested…

Is Anubis kinder to non-standard tools?

It works off PoW, so all you need is a vaguely working js/wasm runtime. It won't fail you if it detects you as spoofing user agent, or are running a "weird" browser like servo on freebsd (or whatever). All of this is "good" for being non-discriminatory, but it also means it's pretty easy for baddies to implement hardware accelerated solvers that can solve challenges orders of magnitude faster than any user can, and at a fraction of resources required (because they don't need a full browser).

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#78
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it affects people personally? They are using the stuff that's being neglected, and they could be using the stuff that is being half-assed if it's better. And I don't believe it has to do with the market. I've worked at a company that was run by pms doing stupid shit. It was dressed up as what the business needed, but it was sheer incompetence. Better people in exactly the same situation would have produced be…

Not directing this at you personally. But I've heard a lot of mediocre engineers whine and complain about PMs, MBAs, C-suite, etc. The best engineers I don't hear complaining much at all. Just a thought. And sorry but I don't agree that launching AI products in 2026 is not related to the market. I think that's the whole basis for the decision.

Do you think people whose circumstances are favorable to them are more likely to succeed and less likely to complain?

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

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post #11

> There was a time Cloudflare just made the internet better There wasn't. Cloudflare is a cancer grown too big. And it was always positioned to become one, the middleman between users and the Internet. It is already painful to browse web sometimes using the non-"standard" tools (that is, not a Chrome with Google account signed in, not an EU/US residential IP). What if tomorrow Cloudflare checks will require attested…

I don't have Chrome or even any Chrome-like browsers installed, but never have a problem.

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it affects people personally? They are using the stuff that's being neglected, and they could be using the stuff that is being half-assed if it's better. And I don't believe it has to do with the market. I've worked at a company that was run by pms doing stupid shit. It was dressed up as what the business needed, but it was sheer incompetence. Better people in exactly the same situation would have produced be…

Not directing this at you personally. But I've heard a lot of mediocre engineers whine and complain about PMs, MBAs, C-suite, etc. The best engineers I don't hear complaining much at all. Just a thought. And sorry but I don't agree that launching AI products in 2026 is not related to the market. I think that's the whole basis for the decision.

I didn't say that AI products aren't related to the market. The problem is not that they're AI it's that they're badly done.
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