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Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

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Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#61

I don't know where this person got the idea that a company "run by engineers" would result in good products. Engineers don't always care about the end result. I've seen engineers completely compromise the utility and experience of the product to make their own job easier or more fun. If it "sounds logical", they assume it's good and don't ask more questions about how it will impact users. Would you hire a mechanical…

take astral, planetscale.... Pi even - so many good orgs where the product is the result of engineering passion

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#62
post #11

> There was a time Cloudflare just made the internet better There wasn't. Cloudflare is a cancer grown too big. And it was always positioned to become one, the middleman between users and the Internet. It is already painful to browse web sometimes using the non-"standard" tools (that is, not a Chrome with Google account signed in, not an EU/US residential IP). What if tomorrow Cloudflare checks will require attested…

Genuine good faith question, what would you recommend the solution or alternative to be? How could we be able to get the benefits Cloudflare provides, without the inherent drawbacks?

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#63

It sounds like a blog post in support of a slowdown for product releases. But the reality is there are multiple companies trying to capture the attention of the same market. Maybe 2 years ago it would’ve been acceptable to release the product internally, slowly add features, dogfood it, then open to public a year later. But now someone else will release the same product within a month, get sticky customers, and most…

Hi, I wrote the post, I think blaming the org for releasing things that aren't engineered/created with "love" (including docs, examples, long-term planning and a roadmap of improvement that will follow-on), and suitable for production, without labeling them as beta, is in fact detrimental to the status of a company's image.

So where do you stand on AWS that may release more than 25 new services a year?

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#65

> There was a time Cloudflare just made the internet better This is the kind of naive thinking that enabled what's going on today. Sadly, the decentralized Internet is now destroyed and will never exist again.

What decentralized solution ever existed for preventing DDoS attacks while allowing a spike of traffic when, say, your blog post gets a highly upvoted HN submission? I am not really convinced this is a problem that can be solved without centralization. It'd be like trying to decentralize airports or communications cables.

> What decentralized solution ever existed for preventing DDoS attacks while allowing a spike of traffic when, say, your blog post gets a highly upvoted HN submission?

BGP FlowSpec

https://github.com/exa-networks/exabgp/wiki/FlowSpec-Overvie...

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What values and principles are supposed to be preventing cloudflare, the internet and technology company, from exploring hot new internet markets and technologies?

the constant "fights" with Vercel instead of delivering shareholder value by refining the product

I'm not even sure if I would know who Vercel is if I were at Cloudflare. The scale between the two is staggeringly different.

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#67
post #24

A good point made in the post (that's not really specific to CF) is the problem with multiplying features. It's interesting that most of the extremely-hot-on-AI companies and leaders I know are hyped about 100x product dev, etc and want to throw tons of new assorted features out. This is not a good thing! I've been at companies with lots of staffing and velocity (pre-AI), and it is a huge foot-gun to think pumping ou…

> Smaller companies especially should calm down and do one thing well

They're going to get absolutely steamrolled unless it is a high risk critical industry.

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#68

I don't know where this person got the idea that a company "run by engineers" would result in good products. Engineers don't always care about the end result. I've seen engineers completely compromise the utility and experience of the product to make their own job easier or more fun. If it "sounds logical", they assume it's good and don't ask more questions about how it will impact users. Would you hire a mechanical…

take astral, planetscale.... Pi even - so many good orgs where the product is the result of engineering passion

Never heard of any of those. Pi the AI harness, sure.

Not sure those are good examples if people can't relate to them.

Note: Astral was acquired by OpenAI, so I'd assume they will no longer meet your criteria soon.

Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#69
post #14

The fact is that every major company is AI accelerating their development, and soon, it will just be every company. We're already past the point of getting our hackles raised when we suspect something is AI written. Everything is or soon will be AI written. So I don't think it's that useful to blame bad product design on AI. Bad product design is just bad product design. Bad writing is just bad writing. Bad graphic d…

Well, let's not normalize bad product design. Worse, let's not normalize pushing out broken projects that never get maintained. It's noise and breaks trust. I'd say the maintenance part is especially bad now, I hold very little trust that people will maintain the projects they share.

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Re: Cloudflare's AI Psychosis

#70

It sounds like a blog post in support of a slowdown for product releases. But the reality is there are multiple companies trying to capture the attention of the same market. Maybe 2 years ago it would’ve been acceptable to release the product internally, slowly add features, dogfood it, then open to public a year later. But now someone else will release the same product within a month, get sticky customers, and most…

Hi, I wrote the post, I think blaming the org for releasing things that aren't engineered/created with "love" (including docs, examples, long-term planning and a roadmap of improvement that will follow-on), and suitable for production, without labeling them as beta, is in fact detrimental to the status of a company's image.

AWS/GCP/Azure are full of abandonware. I’m more familiar with the AWS-side of things, and most of them were/are built on top of existing core services. AWS’s/GCP’s image is fine. I’d say as long as CF’s core (CDN/DDoS mitigation/etc.) is stable, they should experiment.

To put it this way, it took GH almost a year to release Stacked PRs to public. And it’s already being questioned if it’ll stand the test of time. Again, insanely competitive market, as everyone wants to sell shovels.

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