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Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by aquentinn »

wat10000 wrote: post #333
nonethewiser wrote: post #188

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No one is tanking UX to stick it to the EU. It would be better for them to simply not piss off their users. They are covering their ass. The obvious conclusion is that when you try to regulate something like this you arent going to get the behavior you want.

They're not covering their ass, they're making a deliberate tradeoff. It's trivial to make a site that doesn't need a cookie banner: don't set any cookies. Modern web devs have probably forgotten, but this is actually the default behavior. Cookies don't get set unless you do something to make it happen. And cookies that you actually need for functionality don't need a banner either. If you're setting a session cookie…

Every site needs analytics no, unless you're going to walk in the dark, and they need payment processors. If it was just about ads, they could have limited it to ads, like 'tracking for the purpose of advertising,' though even then is a press release advertising, and every serious company is going to have press releases.

They could have instead targeted it, and applied it, to third party ad providers only, like Google. And, btw, Google is big enough they could have just outright named it. They're worth as much as the GDP of Germany. Why not just make a Google law?

So yeah, maybe good intentions but it clearly shows the EU parliament is still too young and inexperienced.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by inigyou »

dcminter wrote: post #355
kmoser wrote: post #329

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They see it as a win because you've still been using their site for a decade now, and every time they advertise their app there's still a non-zero chance you'll relent, but if they stop pushing their app, that chance drops to zero. The only winning move is not to play.

Ah yes, I shall use that other auction site. Which was it again?

Make your own. You could even scrape auctions from eBay. You might think it's impossible but every other country seems to have a homegrown one, and not many people habitually go to eBay.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by inigyou »

inventor7777 wrote: post #198
yojo wrote: post #187

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They still haven’t removed “old.reddit.com”. Replace “www” with “old” on any reddit URL and enjoy a relic from when the internet was less ruined.

Yes, but it now requires you to have an account.

And sometimes even to verify with Persona.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by inigyou »

Perepiska wrote: post #349
jchw wrote: post #95

Should load much slower. Also, where is the unrelated autoplaying video that will unmute if you actually click it, that follows your scrolling and only becomes smaller when you dismiss it? Plus, it should probably have text that cuts off letting you know you can have access for just $10/month. Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's t…

You forgot to mention condom^W Cloudflare between you and site. With "please tick checkbox to prove that you are a human" and "we add five minutes delay because you have old browser".

there is code on that page to say you're definitely a bot and send you to https://unbotnet.me/ but I've never seen it triggered.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by inigyou »

gofreddygo wrote: post #326
jchw wrote: post #95

Should load much slower. Also, where is the unrelated autoplaying video that will unmute if you actually click it, that follows your scrolling and only becomes smaller when you dismiss it? Plus, it should probably have text that cuts off letting you know you can have access for just $10/month. Plus, isn't this website undissmissably "better in the app" after a few minutes of attempting to use it on a phone? Where's t…

Every. SINGLE. Recipe website. Just search for anything like "egg omelette recipe". Click *any* link for example [1]. [1]: https://www.loveandlemons.com/omelette-recipe/

to be fair that's the fault of your search engine choice because you are using a search engine that ignores websites that aren't like that.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by inigyou »

theappsecguy wrote: post #268
toyg wrote: post #250

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The tech field is increasingly devoid of any resemblance of morality. I guess it's the inevitable parable of anything started by '70s hippies: sooner or later, we all sell out.

I think most fields are like that..?

The entire system of capitalism is like that, and the system is shutting down the parts that aren't like that, and replacing them with ones that are.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by inigyou »

moritzwarhier wrote: post #416
dieselgate wrote: post #401

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> Advertising should.be illegal. I dislike advertising as much as the next guy but wouldn't go so far as making it illegal

(edit; not directly responding only to your comment, also to the parent) Advertising is shitty but how would you realistically even make it illegal without violating free speech. Also, advertising does have a good-faith purpose in functioning markets. Failures in regulation IMO are mostly at entirely different levels. E.g. monetization of public utilities and public space. Noise, brightness, and of course deceptive t…

Plenty of countries don't have unlimited free speech. The USA, even, isn't one of the countries with the freest speech.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by inigyou »

dieselgate wrote: post #413
xtracto wrote: post #405

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I was thinking of this post that made the rounds here some weeks ago: https://simone.org/advertising/

Thank you for the follow up link, it brings up good points. I think the 1st Amendment angle is too quickly brushed off by the author and not sure how this would be settled in a legal dispute--especially considering the means and depth of advertising and tech companies. The article is worth reading and great food for thought. Isn't this a part of legally excluding under-18s from using social media?

If giving out anti-draft pamphlets is considered by the courts to be equivalent to shouting fire in a crowded theatre then why couldn't advertising?

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by inigyou »

cm11 wrote: post #308
ryandrake wrote: post #214

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That's the real problem. Being aggressively annoying works . Dark patterns work. Popups that grab your attention work. Flashing text conveying urgency works. Thumbnails with open-mouth YouTube-face work. Moving buttons around so people mis-click works. Tiny [X] buttons that make people accidentally click an ad work. You're never going to convince someone to stop doing something that is making them money.

Very much agree, but also (not saying you're saying otherwise) stealing, lying, entitlement (which is possibly just stealing and lying), and scamming "work." These are checked in large part by a person's aversion to it not just by its lack of working. Of course dark patterns work. If what one says increasingly inches towards 100% misrepresention (but shy of it), people will "mistake" what's being said. "Mistake" doin…

There used to be less data to optimise from. Doing ordinary business is a low risk strategy, compared to dark patterns. Now we have data to enable us to do dark patterns without risk.

Re: Every Fucking Website (2020)

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Post by inigyou »

olyjohn wrote: post #295
LollipopYakuza wrote: post #212

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This reminds me the clickbail title and thumbnail on YouTube. One of my favorite channel apologized for it but explained that the difference compared to NOT doing this is phenomenal and they can't afford stopping.

If this is the only way to get people to watch your videos, maybe your channel sucks. But glad you are making money tricking people into wasting their time so you can get one more ad impression.

So every channel sucks?
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