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GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

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Re: GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

#151

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> Providers can just run them, offer cheap tokens, and pocket the margin. There’s an assumption that you can spin up the infra and acquire customers within that margin

Which is not unreasonable. Just hosting it in the EU and promising not to retain / sell the data let's you charge a healthy extra and compete in many areas other players can't.

Keeping SLAs spinning isn’t this trivial

Re: GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

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This is absolutely still shy of Sol and Fable, but only just by a hair. Ridiculous results. There's still not a compelling economic reason to drop OpenAI courtesy of the ludicrous reset addiction that's taken place, but it feels like we're on the precipice. How are you all toying with running this kind of thing in a mega quantized way locally? Two weeks out from released weights, but this is still just GLM 5.2 with p…

OpenAI and Anthropic are both seeking trillion IPOs, while Chinese labs are pumping out open-weight models that are free for US providers to host and monetize. These Chinese models cost less of US SOTA models to run, even if they are less capable. Providers can just run them, offer cheap tokens, and pocket the margin. I just don't see how you justify a trillion valuation for US AI labs when the underlying models are…

Most are not necessarily free to host and monetize. At least one of them has a license that says if you are re-hosting the model then you need a license with that company that made the model.

Re: GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

#153

Apple will release M7 MacBook Pros / Mac Minis next year, and they will be able to run free LLMs locally at native speed. All software developer notebooks will be replaced to run local models, saving a lot by cancelling Claude Code subscriptions. Developers win. Apple stocks will be rocketing. Everything else will go down. You're welcome.

Sure buddy, all you'll end up with is a $10k machine that run gimped models at like 30tok/s for about 5m before the fan kicks in and it starts to sound like a turboprop, while offering maybe 30% of the context size of hosted models.

Re: GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

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post #132

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This is going to be catastrophic. Whether AI works or is useful or not isn’t even the question anymore. It can fulfil every promise Sam Altman has been making and will still make no financial sense to justify these valuations.

I have already begun winding down my spend on claude and OAI to make room for infra budget. Anecdotal, but I have no doubt a lot of others are doing the same, I very much agree the US players have major issues looming. What an exciting time to be alive!

The car industry is also a trillion $$ market in the US. I don't see why that would go any differently from the Chinese cars ban.

Re: GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

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Their own hardness (ZCode) seems to be a GUI, which doesn't work for me. They say they support other harnesses. However, it seems like I can inject the plan into other harnesses, like Claude Code[0]. Does anyone who's been using GLM models for a while have a strong feeling for if it does better in some harnesses than others, or should I just use my favourite harness?

0: https://docs.z.ai/devpack/tool/others

Re: GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

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post #134

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> run free LLMs locally at native speed This reads like a hallucination. What does native speed even mean?

for example, models running at like 100-150 tokens/second (or faster!) vs 15 t/s (fable/sol are ~60 t/s, and OpenAI just announced their Cerebras partnership(?) for "ultrafast" mode of 750 t/s) models aren't able to run that fast right now on our consumer/prosumer hardware. M5 Max for example has a memory bandwidth of 600 GB/s. a 5090 has 3x that, so running the same model on a 5090 is that much faster (provided the…

Meanwhile the GB300 used by hosted llms:

GPU Memory Bandwidth: 7.1 TB/s Interconnect Bandwidth: 900 GB/s bidirectional

https://pi3g.com/nvidia-gb300-specifications-including-memor...

If you think M7 will hit even 15% of these speeds you're very optimistic.

Re: GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

#157

Apple will release M7 MacBook Pros / Mac Minis next year, and they will be able to run free LLMs locally at native speed. All software developer notebooks will be replaced to run local models, saving a lot by cancelling Claude Code subscriptions. Developers win. Apple stocks will be rocketing. Everything else will go down. You're welcome.

I don't know why you'd want to burden your laptop with a large model. But I can totally see a new "developer workstation" product that's just a semi-large box that's optimized for running frontier open weights models for one to few users.

Re: GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

#158
post #128

Apparently they are scanning OSS and popular software at scale and disclosing the vulnerabilities they found: https://cvd.z.ai/ Most of these are under embargo, but it seems there are a lot of CVE here from a wide range of popular software, many considered critical or high. I understand the argument of "people are not actively looking", but isn't the cost for such a scan getting lower by the week, and Anthropic's Pro…

> Anthropic's Project Glasswing is supposed to find them quite a while ago?

Someone still has to run it. The analysis and fix could be someone's machine but not committed / published.

Re: GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

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post #116

I'm not that up to date with the latest AI developments, but I noticed that this article seems to use "Cyber Capabilities" as a shorthand for the model's ability at cybersecurity tasks? Is that now an established expression, same as "crypto" now refers to cryptocurrencies rather that cryptography? Because "cybernetics" actually means something different (yeah, old man yelling at clouds, I know)...

It makes no sense, but yes.

Re: GLM-5.3: Frontier coding with emergent cyber capabilities

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Their coding plan switched to credits, didn’t it? What are the rate limits like, compared to Anthropic or Kimi K3? I remember trying their Coding Plan out before the change and the 5 hour limits felt too restrictive then even for light/medium work, especially cause of the whole peak and off-peak thing: https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/z-ai-s-glm-5-2-is-a-great-model... Nowadays, I’d probably go with their Max plan if the…

I feel like quota on their subs is extremely generous. I pay 3-4 times less for larger quota than gpt-5.6-sol.
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