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sure, they have advantage of being first movers and being domestic companies. Chinese models need extra step to infiltrate US and other markets.
Move like making api substantially cheaper or free would make more sense. Making it open weight does the opposite – it allows traffic to not be routed through them at all.
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being a public company forces a lot of trust and transparency bc otherwise shareholders will sue you into oblivion
Corporations are legally required to maximize shareholder's value. If reaching that goal requires them to pretend to be transparent, or fudge the numbers that they show to the public, then that's what you can expect them to do.
This is a myth.
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Move like making api substantially cheaper or free would make more sense. Making it open weight does the opposite – it allows traffic to not be routed through them at all.
they needed to take multiple steps to catch up. Why else do you think they make open models?
META releases open weight models because selling access to models isn't their business model, they get optimization for free, good press with adoption of their tech etc. They don't want AI to become another iOS, they want to commoditize the layer underneath them.
GOOGLE releases open weight models because they complement the rest – from premium offering to Android/Chrome/Google Cloud etc products. They use it as part of open ecosystem / local / edge / experimentation layer. 400 million downloads with 100k community variants is nice vibrant ecosystem they have and want to have, they can capture value in several places and would prefer if devs standardize on their tooling.
OPEN AI because their PR was shit and it saved them, purely defensive move, which is interesting considering their name and initial goal.
ALIBABA because it tickles them to erase/cap profits in western labs, free optimisation/research, great PR.
DEEPSEEK they want to have day-zero support for all possible hardware platforms, they started it because Liang wanted to do it, had resources from High-Flyer to do it and he said fuck it and did it (zero commercial incentives which is so bizzare that it deserves a movie or something). He wants to do it because his destination is AGI. In that sense he's more original OpenAI than OpenAI.
MISTRAL because they want to be to AI what RedHat is to Linux.
NVIDIA because they sell GPUs.
...the list is long, there are few dozens of companies including Microsoft, IBM, AI2, Databricks, Snowflake, xAI, EleutherAI, Hugging Face etc. that release open weight models, there are thousands of models and tens of thousands of fine tunes across across text, image, video, audio etc.
In general half life of any model is short. What is more lasting is ecosystem around it, releasing new generation as open doesn't give away technical advantage.
They give away asset for which strategic value is deprecating rapidly and in exchange they get developers, mindshare, tooling, optimizations, integrations, research, standarisation etc. and put pressure on competitors destroying their margins.
It's not an absurd way of thinking, it may seem like irrational move but let's wait and see – imho labs like Anthropic can't sustain long term this kind of pressure and will eventually collapse – regardless of the fact that currently they look like strongest player that can't be touched, the whole thing they have holds on thin, fragile support that gets eroded.
Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index
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they needed to take multiple steps to catch up. Why else do you think they make open models?
Depends who you ask: META releases open weight models because selling access to models isn't their business model, they get optimization for free, good press with adoption of their tech etc. They don't want AI to become another iOS, they want to commoditize the layer underneath them. GOOGLE releases open weight models because they complement the rest – from premium offering to Android/Chrome/Google Cloud etc products…
we talked about Chinese models. Yes, erase/cap profits, PR, and give clients peace in mind that model access won't disappear. So, it is infiltraiting markets.
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Depends who you ask: META releases open weight models because selling access to models isn't their business model, they get optimization for free, good press with adoption of their tech etc. They don't want AI to become another iOS, they want to commoditize the layer underneath them. GOOGLE releases open weight models because they complement the rest – from premium offering to Android/Chrome/Google Cloud etc products…
> ALIBABA because it tickles them to erase/cap profits in western labs, free optimisation/research, great PR. we talked about Chinese models. Yes, erase/cap profits, PR, and give clients peace in mind that model access won't disappear. So, it is infiltraiting markets.
Motivations are more complex than that, if they wanted to achieve that they'd follow approach taken by some western labs to release weaker models only as open keeping frontier behind APIs.
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> ALIBABA because it tickles them to erase/cap profits in western labs, free optimisation/research, great PR. we talked about Chinese models. Yes, erase/cap profits, PR, and give clients peace in mind that model access won't disappear. So, it is infiltraiting markets.
Your argument was that releasing models as open weight was allowing them to collect data but reality is that open weight models precisely allow users to completely avoid data collection – something that is not actually possible with closed weight models. Motivations are more complex than that, if they wanted to achieve that they'd follow approach taken by some western labs to release weaker models only as open keepin…
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Your argument was that releasing models as open weight was allowing them to collect data but reality is that open weight models precisely allow users to completely avoid data collection – something that is not actually possible with closed weight models. Motivations are more complex than that, if they wanted to achieve that they'd follow approach taken by some western labs to release weaker models only as open keepin…
I explained it already: open models -> market infiltration -> more data because many/majority clients still use official API because of convenience.
Look at ie. OpenRouter you'll see how many providers there are and how much traffic they get.
If the goal was data, opening weights would be the worst available way to achieve it: a cheap, closed API would capture 100% of traffic (ie Anthropic style), weights can only lose share from there.
With open weights it's net loss of active users of your official api – you're loosing users to self hosting and dozens of providers.
The thing is that open weights create permanent exit that closed models do not have, inference is commoditized immediately, people choose open weight models specifically for data privacy (and stuff like soc2/hipaa compliance) and if somebody wants convenience they go to claude/openai and friends anyway.
Also chinese labs are not uniform with their approach just as western labs are not.
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I believe it's one of the models you have to go in to your settings on and enable Chinese providers for to use. Could be mistaken. I wish there was a clear list on this.
If you check https://opencode.ai/go and fold out the what models do you have question you can see a clear list of models included.
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It's neither an Elon quote nor a logical fallacy. I came up with it myself all by myself. Seek help for your MDS.
Sorry not a direct quote, but basically a rip off of "politically incorrect, but nonetheless factually true". Whatever you want to call your super duper clever rewording of a reductionist statement.
And again, I didn't reword what he wrote. I deduced it myself from first principles. Because unlike you, I don't lie to people.
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It's wild that redditors still believe this.
The reason it is so believable is that he did it and it happened, in public. He contributes to this understanding by straight-forwardly promoting and agreeing with white nationalists and even straight-up neo-nazi accounts on twitter, and by promoting neo-nazi aligned political parties.
I will not ignore the evidence of my eyes and ears just because you irrationally hate the man and cannot be honest about him.
>He contributes to this understanding by straight-forwardly promoting and agreeing with white nationalists and even straight-up neo-nazi accounts on twitter, and by promoting neo-nazi aligned political parties.
Only on reddit do people believe stupid shit like that. You should stop getting your information second hand. It's rotting your brain.