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Codex in ChatGPT desktop app for Linux is now in preview

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Re: Codex in ChatGPT desktop app for Linux is now in preview

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Post by lucideer »

mitchchn wrote: post #283
lucideer wrote: post #72

The most remarkable things about this announcement: - Electron based app: Electron is a framework sold on the basis of enabling rapid cross-platform development at the cost of performance. - Frontier AI company: AI is sold on the basis of enabling rapid development - App was released in February & took 6 entire months to port to Linux

> App was released in February & took 6 entire months to port to Linux Product releases at large companies are slowed dow by coordination and resources more than actual development. (I'm an Electron maintainer who is currently working on better Linux support in the framework, and also a developer/PM for a commercial app that supports Linux.) It's very likely that the Codex Electron app already "worked" on Linux back…

I work in a large corp, I know how these things work - my company has taken longer to do simpler things than this. My observation wasn't to call this out as unusual or unexpected.

I think you've summarised it really well, & it shows:

- the revolutionary promises of AI-driven rapid delivery is nonsense when the delivery bottleneck was always elsewhere - AI is speeding up the part that was never slow

- the fact that - as you point out - it was likely working in Feb but needed a business case gives a good impression of the leadership's approach to Linux support: it's likely such internal case-making will continue to be a factor in future Linux build maintained

Re: Codex in ChatGPT desktop app for Linux is now in preview

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Post by avazhi »

perching_aix wrote: post #112
avazhi wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this the same thing that broke out of the sandbox and into HuggingFace? Or we are just assuming that was a PR stunt, which it almost certainly was. Either way, this shit isn’t getting near my system.

> Is this the same thing that broke out of the sandbox and into HuggingFace? No. > Or we are just assuming that was a PR stunt, which it almost certainly was. It wasn't. > Either way, this shit isn’t getting near my system. Sounds about right.

> > Or we are just assuming that was a PR stunt, which it almost certainly was.

> It wasn't.

Prove it. But you can’t, which is problematic for you.

Nobody should believe anything OpenAI says about anything. They either lied about it breaking out of a sand box, or they’re incompetent by building a sandbox their AI could break out of.

It’s a cute story, though.

Re: Codex in ChatGPT desktop app for Linux is now in preview

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Post by alightsoul »

SyneRyder wrote: post #85
lucideer wrote: post #72

The most remarkable things about this announcement: - Electron based app: Electron is a framework sold on the basis of enabling rapid cross-platform development at the cost of performance. - Frontier AI company: AI is sold on the basis of enabling rapid development - App was released in February & took 6 entire months to port to Linux

I guess it's easier to solve Erdos problems and improve the lower bound of the Riemann hypothesis, than it is to solve Linux desktop app distribution.

Yes... Just use DEB package files for any distro. Make a compatibility layer that is distro dependent so that it can come preinstalled on any distro. It converts the DEB package to a distro native package so that it doesn't fuck up existing packages or the existing distro-native package manager, and gives you the apt and dpkg commands . Unlike appimages and flatpaks it has no reviewer, no store and it can be installed just like EXEs on windows which is already the case for DEBs on debian and debian based distros. Would this work?

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Post by alightsoul »

ChadNauseam wrote: post #279
ninkendo wrote: post #189

Sitting at 2.2GB of combined resident RAM across 11 processes. I haven't done a single query yet.

Is this a linux issue? My Macbook has 16gb ram and running out has literally never been an issue for me. I'm using all of it + 10gb of swap and my computer feels snappy and fast. Chrome with 100+ tabs, discord, slack, codex, chatgpt, all running simultaneously with no issues. Sure, all other things being equal less RAM usage is better, but I can understand why reducing it isn't a priority for them.

The OS doesn't matter here. The problem is that it's an electron app, hence it has high ram usage

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Post by qw1238z »

tredre3 wrote: post #255
TacticalCoder wrote: post #221

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> I find it almost funny how hostile the response is when a company actually goes through the effort of supporting Linux. How magnanimous: they make the effort to support the OS their entire company is based on? It's not just for training the model and hosting them: it's also to run them, where they constantly use Linux to do their thing. Without Linux, there's no OpenAI. So I take it the Linux community should be so…

> Without Linux, there's no OpenAI. They use Linux because it's there. If Linux wasn't there, they'd use what's there. There is nothing about Linux that makes it unique enough to be make or break OpenAI. Not one thing. And yes, when a company distributes their app for the Linux desktop, we should be grateful or at the very least not hostile. The attitude of Linux zealots is honestly tiresome and it makes us all look…

First they stole all of our code, then they sell it back to us, then they release a data exfiltration tool.

And we should be "grateful"?

The corporate fascism here becomes scary. People here would work for IG Farben and discuss how to disrupt Zyklon-B and make it more efficient.

Re: Codex in ChatGPT desktop app for Linux is now in preview

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Post by vineyardmike »

shevy-java wrote: post #28
vineyardmike wrote: post #24

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Literally everything from generic coding agent to shopping. I run it in a MacOS vm, fwiw, for certain tasks. I usually hand it a repo and say “install all build dependencies” and it’ll click through installation GUIs where necessary. I wonder if the TOS of an application is enforceable if a bot agreed and a human never saw it. It can UI test web apps if that’s part of your job, but it can also just use the browser fo…

> Literally everything from generic coding agent to shopping. People need help with shopping now?

I can probably live most of my life without the transistor being invented, but it’s certainly better with new technology.

“Needs help” is an unnecessary and negative framing, don’t be a hater. We can basically always do what AI does (if not computers at large!), but either it’ll take longer or be boring.

With AI you can automate checking way more price comparisons than manually, with way less effort. With AI you can automate routine shopping tasks like converting a shopping list into an online shopping cart. I can search for specific products across dozens of sites manually, or I can ask AI to find it for me.

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