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The creator of flutter was on here saying that 1/3 of all apps on the App Store use it. That seems to be a lot more than “nobody”.
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How do you know? Why are we inclined to believe you over him?
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#62I've never used Kotlin, but I really enjoy Flutter. Not nearly as much as SwiftUI and the Lord's language, mind you.
Flutter can get you up and running quickly. If I want cross-plaform support, one codebase is hard to beat.
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I've made a huge critic towards Flutter in another comment of mine, but adoption isn't it: the biggest bank in Brazil, with 135 million clients, is a digital bank whose sole interface is their Flutter app. They are different regarding tech choices (they use Clojure on the backend too), but I think it's a huge testament of how far along Flutter adoption has come. Also, Google dogfoods it quite a bit.
Nubank also uses clojure and adoption is still a big issue.
Third-party analysis (https://appfigures.com/top-sdks/development/all) has Flutter used in 16% of iOS apps and 24% of Android apps (free)
Archive link: https://archive.is/IIUaj
I really don't understand how/why people deny reality so hard when it comes to Flutter. Reminds me a bit of years ago when people were still scoffing at the idea of anyone actually adopting JavaScript to write web servers with while Node.js was very obviously eating up the market.
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But they also fund JetBrains, Jetpack Compose, and KMP. It feels like the company threw their support behind Kotlin a long while ago on mobile, but internal struggles keep the others limping along. Compose UI tooling no longer requires viewing on device.
Only because it was cheaper to migrate Android to Kotlin instead of Dart. JetBrains needs Google more than Google needs JetBrains.
There are several clues that the reasons were more political than monetary, including some former team members like Jake Warton remarks on Dart.
Note that Dart or Flutter are nowhere to be found on Android developer documentation.
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Nubank also uses clojure and adoption is still a big issue.
Third-party analysis ( https://appfigures.com/top-sdks/development/all ) has Flutter used in 16% of iOS apps and 24% of Android apps (free) Archive link: https://archive.is/IIUaj I really don't understand how/why people deny reality so hard when it comes to Flutter. Reminds me a bit of years ago when people were still scoffing at the idea of anyone actually adopting JavaScript to write web servers with while Node.js…
It eats the market indeed, and also presents business opportunities for folks like myself, jumping in writing C++ addons, or completely replacing it with Java, .NET, Go, Rust,....
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#67Tested lots of flutter desktop apps on Github last year. All have sluggish animation. FPS rarely reached 60.
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Google internally uses dart, and I remember hearing that adwords in particular was rewritten in dart at least for the frontend relatively recently. So they're probably investing in it enough for basic maintenance, but don't really care about evolving the language.
Sure, Adwords migrated from GWT to Dart. (And eventually I followed.) At one point, Dart moved from the Chrome division to the Adwords division. And Adwords alone can fund a team to do developer tools for them. Then, Flutter came a bit later. It's been over a decade since then, though, and I'm out of touch now.
In fact AdWords is the reason Dart was still around when Flutter came to be.
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#69Of all the myriad projects from Google, how is Flutter/Dart the one that survived the axe? I’m not saying I hate them - I think they’re both really neat - I just don’t understand why Google keeps these limping along with weak support and no clear vision within their broader web ecosystem.
Flutter's not a web ecosystem project. It doesn't do HTML at all. Using canvas to pump pixels in people's faces does not the web make.
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I’ve had good experiences with Flutter too. It’s actually much easier to build a performant macOS app with flutter than with SwiftUI.
> It’s actually much easier to build a performant macOS app with flutter than with SwiftUI. Got any case studies?
Just my own apps. Getting good performance out of SwiftUI on Mac is quite difficult. Loads of footguns.