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#42Of all the myriad projects from Google, how is Flutter/Dart the one that survived the axe? I’m not saying I hate them - I think they’re both really neat - I just don’t understand why Google keeps these limping along with weak support and no clear vision within their broader web ecosystem.
Google internally uses dart, and I remember hearing that adwords in particular was rewritten in dart at least for the frontend relatively recently. So they're probably investing in it enough for basic maintenance, but don't really care about evolving the language.
Sure, Adwords migrated from GWT to Dart. (And eventually I followed.) At one point, Dart moved from the Chrome division to the Adwords division. And Adwords alone can fund a team to do developer tools for them. Then, Flutter came a bit later.
It's been over a decade since then, though, and I'm out of touch now.
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#43great for mobile apps, fine for desktops, basically unusable for browsers unless you do wasm, if web can be revamped/improved it can be the best option for cross platform GUI
no one and absolutely no one pick flutter because they want do traditional web in the first place
its a cross platform framework that you can share component between mobile and other platform and always has been
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, but, nobody uses it. So what's the point for Google?
I've made a huge critic towards Flutter in another comment of mine, but adoption isn't it: the biggest bank in Brazil, with 135 million clients, is a digital bank whose sole interface is their Flutter app. They are different regarding tech choices (they use Clojure on the backend too), but I think it's a huge testament of how far along Flutter adoption has come. Also, Google dogfoods it quite a bit.
Nubank also uses clojure and adoption is still a big issue.
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#45Been waiting especially for multi-window so it can be picked up by Flet.
Are you using Flet? If yes do you think it's mature enough and has a potential to stay long "in the game"?
I use Flet in a few projects. It's still somewhat young and the declarative move caused a few issues (for me, mainly because I wasn't familiar with the pattern), but generally I'd say it's stable, feature-complete and the maintainer seems to be in it for the long haul. Also it fills a critical gap that nothing else does, binding a decent UI framework and cross-platform capability to a language with an extremely large and diverse ecosystem; that's what I think will really make it endure.
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#46great for mobile apps, fine for desktops, basically unusable for browsers unless you do wasm, if web can be revamped/improved it can be the best option for cross platform GUI
no one and absolutely no one pick flutter because they want do traditional web in the first place its a cross platform framework that you can share component between mobile and other platform and always has been
I’ve used flutter for a couple of toy web apps. One is just a personal tool , another is a small party game.
Now I might vibe code such things using React, but 5 , 6 years ago Flutter got me what I wanted fast.
Firebase integration is absurdly easy. You can make a crud app in about 30 minutes
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#48how's Dart for back end development? is anybody using it to build APIs? the syntax doesn't look too bad
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#49While I've used Flutter since Alpha, I've been away for a few years. A few things have shocked me in these release notes: how come Impeller still wasn't the default engine for all platforms? Also, why are they migrating to WASM if one of the core features of Dart is compiling to JavaScript? Finally, how come multi window support only get viable now, after four years having desktop support? Honestly, Flutter is an ext…
I suppose AI would help for porting your app if you need to? It's not like the old days.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
How are they limping? Flutter has completely replaced it's rendering engine across all platforms and they're building out major window management support on desktop platforms. At some point there's just not much exciting new stuff to add. Flutter is a nice stable platform, I'd highly recommend it.
Right, but, nobody uses it. So what's the point for Google?
>but, nobody uses it.
I used to work at ByteDance and they alone employed I think more than 800 Flutter Devs. Douyin uses Flutter (the Chinese version of TikTok), Grab and Ebay use it, Alibaba and Baidu did too. Toyota and Volkswagen I think both use Flutter. Nubank I think is also a flutter app and they alone have like one hundred million some users.
With the popularity in the Chinese ecosystem alone there's gotta be a billion plus people using flutter.