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Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index

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Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index

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Post by hnav »

dmode wrote: post #141

Can someone explain to me what's the point of Grok anymore? I don't understand why we need a third or fourth closed frontier model. It is clear that chatGPT has locked down the consumer play, and may be Gemini is there. Claude has enterprise locked up, followed by chatGPT and Gemini. Enterprise switching costs are notoriously high, and even if they switch, they have chatGPT or Gemini to choose from. Beyond that, you…

Inference switching costs aren't high since the models are largely fungible. Even with proprietary harnesses you can hack them to use some other lab's model.

Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index

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Post by dmode »

siliconc0w wrote: post #144
dmode wrote: post #141

Can someone explain to me what's the point of Grok anymore? I don't understand why we need a third or fourth closed frontier model. It is clear that chatGPT has locked down the consumer play, and may be Gemini is there. Claude has enterprise locked up, followed by chatGPT and Gemini. Enterprise switching costs are notoriously high, and even if they switch, they have chatGPT or Gemini to choose from. Beyond that, you…

Competition keeps service quality high and pricing low - even if you aren't using Grok, the mere existence of Grok keeps pricing for whatever provider you use lower and service faster and more reliable.

That's fair. But my point is from a business POV, why would SpaceX want to invests hundreds of billions of CapEx on a third or fourth frontier model, which cannot compete with chatGPT and claude on the high end, and getting squeezed by open weight models on the low end

Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index

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Post by mfer »

dmode wrote: post #141

Can someone explain to me what's the point of Grok anymore? I don't understand why we need a third or fourth closed frontier model. It is clear that chatGPT has locked down the consumer play, and may be Gemini is there. Claude has enterprise locked up, followed by chatGPT and Gemini. Enterprise switching costs are notoriously high, and even if they switch, they have chatGPT or Gemini to choose from. Beyond that, you…

There are a few reasons people will be interested...

1. The CapEx play is interesting because it's not just Grok using the hardware. They have rented out hardware for others, including Google, to use. This is making xAI money.

2. It appears that Elon is building a suite of things that work together as part of the push to be multi-planetary. What AI will power the robots? I can understand the drive to have AI they can control to make sure it's appropriate for all the things they are dreaming up. This is a piece they don't want to outsource.

3. OpenAI and Anthropic models are expensive in terms of token costs. Sure, they are frontier. Neither appears to be trying to drive down expenses. This is a problem for heavy users. Companies are trying to put cost controls in place. Does the rest of SpaceX want those cost controls? Having a Frontier model that pushes the pace of driving down costs is really useful.

4. OpenAI and Anthropic are producing models with a progressive lean, according to the Neutrality Project [1]. Having a frontier model that is closer to the middle is considered a good thing by many who are noticing the bias.

These are just some of the reasons. Competition is often a good thing that drives useful change.

[1] https://neutralityproject.org/

Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index

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Post by scottyah »

dmode wrote: post #141

Can someone explain to me what's the point of Grok anymore? I don't understand why we need a third or fourth closed frontier model. It is clear that chatGPT has locked down the consumer play, and may be Gemini is there. Claude has enterprise locked up, followed by chatGPT and Gemini. Enterprise switching costs are notoriously high, and even if they switch, they have chatGPT or Gemini to choose from. Beyond that, you…

I sense a lot of condescension and lack of business acumen so I won't spend time writing it up, why don't you just ask your favorite AI or do some basic google searches? Elon was extremely upfront about the philosophical reasons for it, ever since he cofounded OpenAI.

Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index

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Post by redox99 »

logicchains wrote: post #76
redox99 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pretty surprising. Idk about Grok 4.6, but Grok 4.5 was clearly below Fable, Opus 5 and GPT 5.6 Sol.

It's much faster, so if you're not doing something cutting-edge, or you're doing the planning yourself and just using the LLM for implementation, the speed benefit outweighs the extra smarts of Fable/Opus5/Sol.

Yeah the speed was very nice indeed.

Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index

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Post by scottyah »

unselect5917 wrote: post #108
altruios wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon did that twice, actually, in real life!

It's wild that redditors still believe this.

I would be curious to see the venn diagram with the people who think data centers are using all of the water.

Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index

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Post by midnightbobarun »

dmode wrote: post #141

Can someone explain to me what's the point of Grok anymore? I don't understand why we need a third or fourth closed frontier model. It is clear that chatGPT has locked down the consumer play, and may be Gemini is there. Claude has enterprise locked up, followed by chatGPT and Gemini. Enterprise switching costs are notoriously high, and even if they switch, they have chatGPT or Gemini to choose from. Beyond that, you…

I assume SpaceX does it because they figure it's a good source of revenue, and it means they can keep another thing in-house instead of relying on Anthropic or OpenAI for their AI needs.

As for why anyone else would want it: I've found it's a good model for coding, and it sometimes catches bugs that other models (especially open source models) don't always spot.

Re: Grok 4.6 scores 61 on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index

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Post by scottyah »

thiago_fm wrote: post #3

I often wonder if there's a chance, even if minimal... that they stole the weights of the Anthropic models they run on their datacenter... or are actively destillating it.

I wonder if the distillation was part of the compute deal.
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